Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11384914)
It's a balloon - and there are many reasons why they aren't front line military weapons since 1918.
I did see one conspiracy theory that had these balloons spreading Covid! |
Originally Posted by Davef68
(Post 11384937)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb
I did see one conspiracy theory that had these balloons spreading Covid! |
Oh, the humanity….
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11384914)
It's a balloon - and there are many reasons why they aren't front line military weapons since 1918. In WW II my father was on the front line with his barrage balloon ......... Coventry in the Blitz, Suez Canal attached to ships in canal transit, and attached to a warship for D Day. Very front line, very shot at. Barrage Balloons were Fighter Command. |
Originally Posted by langleybaston
(Post 11385176)
Not so.
In WW II my father was on the front line with his barrage balloon ......... Coventry in the Blitz, Suez Canal attached to ships in canal transit, and attached to a warship for D Day. Very front line, very shot at. Barrage Balloons were Fighter Command. |
Originally Posted by langleybaston
(Post 11385176)
Not so.
In WW II my father was on the front line with his barrage balloon ......... Coventry in the Blitz, Suez Canal attached to ships in canal transit, and attached to a warship for D Day. Very front line, very shot at. Barrage Balloons were Fighter Command. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Balloon_Command Is your Great War history as accurate? |
Originally Posted by downsizer
(Post 11385223)
Every day's a school day ........... my father told a naughty to his little boy! {I told him some lies too]. Memo to self Check the facts. Fortunately he sent home lots of letters and photos so the Blitz, Suez and D Day are authenticated. |
Originally Posted by downsizer
(Post 11385223)
WWI is a good example. The generals (on all sides) were trained and familiar with tactics that had existed for a couple of centuries. Teaching at places like Sandhurst focussed on learning from experience. The same applied at other military training establishments in other countries. One consequence of this is that leaders are often living in the past. Sometimes this works just fine. Some tactics that are centuries old are still valid. Sometimes this tactic falls over. Badly. An example from WWI would be Von Kluck. His failure to effectively implement the Schlieffen Plan resulted in the tragic development of long term trench warfare. None of the forces involved had experience of this. The British had an inkling of what it might involve from the South African War (the Second Boer War), but that was nothing at all like the WWI experience. Generals of the time (especially Haig) were deeply wedded to the concept of the cavalry charge. Many (most) had been cavalry officers. They believed that the horse reigned supreme. That biased their thinking. Crimea should have taught them that the days of the cavalry charge were numbered. It didn't. Even without horses they still thought that big charges were the way forward. Their thinking was medieval. With the advent of a long, dug in, trench warfare line these generals (all of them, but especially Niville, Haig and von Kluck) were faced with a scenario their training and experience had not prepared them for. Sadly there is a lot of inertia in miltary training. If we could learn from experience quickly, and, to use a modern term, be more agile, we could be more effective (see Ukraine as a fantastic example of being agile). Easy to be critical after the event. At the time of things happening we make decisions based on our knowledge and experience. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We can now look back with the benefit from many scholars that have studied the events. With the benefit of this understanding we can put decisions made into the context of that time. |
When I see the footage of low flying A-4s and Daggers in San Carlos Water, I sometimes think about the equivalent scenes from D-Day beaches and wonder if Barrage Balloons would’ve been useful in that context.
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With respect I did ask for, and have not received, an example to support:
Sent tens of thousands "over the top" both to find out where the enemy defences were strongest and in the hope that a few might get through This next quote is inaccurate: Generals of the time (especially Haig) were deeply wedded to the concept of the cavalry charge. Many (most) had been cavalry officers. At declaration of war the ratios of British cavalry generals to those from other arms were as follows: Field marshals 2/ 8; Generals 1/ 18; Lt generals 3/ 27; Major generals 8/ 114 Source: the Army List and Terraine's: The smoke and the fire Cavalry Training 1912 emphasizes scouting, reconnaissance, dismounted musketry and exploitation as major functions of cavalry. The charge as such gets scant attention in the index or indeed the content. For further reading, see also Corrigan’s Mud Blood and Poppycock. As there is no aviation content in this exchange, may I suggest that, if it were to be continued, it could be by PM? |
Originally Posted by langleybaston
(Post 11385257)
With respect I did ask for, and have not received, an example to support:
Sent tens of thousands "over the top" both to find out where the enemy defences were strongest and in the hope that a few might get through This next quote is inaccurate: Generals of the time (especially Haig) were deeply wedded to the concept of the cavalry charge. Many (most) had been cavalry officers. At declaration of war the ratios of British cavalry generals to those from other arms were as follows: Field marshals 2/ 8; Generals 1/ 18; Lt generals 3/ 27; Major generals 8/ 114 Source: the Army List and Terraine's: The smoke and the fire Cavalry Training 1912 emphasizes scouting, reconnaissance, dismounted musketry and exploitation as major functions of cavalry. The charge as such gets scant attention in the index or indeed the content. For further reading, see also Corrigan’s Mud Blood and Poppycock. As there is no aviation content in this exchange, may I suggest that, if it were to be continued, it could be by PM? |
Dowding went from horse-drawn artillery to the RFC. Spirit of adventure, trying out something new?
Slow enough in those days to shoot a balloon, a blimp or an airship, though. |
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Just seen a very funny comedy sketch where they suggested the Chinese should have written "THE MOON" on their balloon which would have confused many Americans.
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Originally Posted by ETOPS
(Post 11385531)
Just seen a very funny comedy sketch where they suggested the Chinese should have written "THE MOON" on their balloon which would have confused many Americans.
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Balloons are steerable. They steer by varying their height until they meed an airstream which is going their way. At different altitudes, the wind speed and direction are different.
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Originally Posted by DodgyGeezer
(Post 11385642)
Balloons are steerable. They steer by varying their height until they meed an airstream which is going their way. At different altitudes, the wind speed and direction are different.
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Do you remember this?
Was able to return precisely to his point of departure. Not sure how much luck was involved. |
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11385648)
Of course you have to have an air stream going where you want to go, at a suitable altitude to maintain a covert presence and you have to know where the airstream is. How feasible is that?
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
(Post 11385879)
The location and strength of jet streams has been remarkably accurately known since about 1980 and incredibly well forecast for substamtial periods ahead since about 2000. It is one of the nice uncomplicated aspects of Met., because no H2O enters the equations. Or, at least, it didn't back in the day.
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