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VictorGolf 8th Jun 2022 11:04

They're Handley Page Hastings, one of which is still to be seen in the Airspace building at Duxford. It was based to some extent I believe on the Halifax especially the wing. (Dons tin helmet for the incoming).

212man 8th Jun 2022 11:45


Dons tin helmet for the incoming
Not required I would say!

VictorGolf 8th Jun 2022 11:53

Thanks 212, that's re-assuring.

Davef68 8th Jun 2022 12:20


Originally Posted by Pearly White (Post 11242677)
This must have been very nearly the entire RAF fleet.

Probably not even one aircraft per squadron

Dan Gerous 8th Jun 2022 12:40

Probably more aircraft in that photo than in the RAF now.

Bob Viking 8th Jun 2022 13:53

Dan Gerous
 
Google suggests 479 aircraft in the current RAF inventory. So if you wish to count them in the picture you might be correct.

I would suggest that the current RAF inventory contains a good mixture of incredibly capable aircraft though. The same is probably not true of the photo above.

BV

Davef68 8th Jun 2022 14:47


Originally Posted by Bob Viking (Post 11242770)
Google suggests 479 aircraft in the current RAF inventory. So if you wish to count them in the picture you might be correct.

I would suggest that the current RAF inventory contains a good mixture of incredibly capable aircraft though. The same is probably not true of the photo above.

BV

I think it was in the low 300s in the static and over 600 in the flypast. Some Commonwealth Air Forces too https://www.hampshireairfields.co.uk/nos10.html

There was a book on the subject


They were capable for their time!

Bob Viking 8th Jun 2022 15:34


Originally Posted by Davef68 (Post 11242788)
They were capable for their time!

Of course they were. But times change. As an example, instead of a whole squadron dropping a couple of bombs each to damage a target, you can now have one jet drop one bomb and destroy a target. And that jet can carry a few of those bombs.

I know where this conversation will end up though so I’ll leave it there.

BV

teeteringhead 8th Jun 2022 16:08

And IIRC all the aircraft were UK (and possibly Germany?) based. And we had a lot more further afield in them days.

MPN11 8th Jun 2022 19:24

Oh, guys, the World and Technology and Capability have moved on since then. There is no point in comparing then and now. I used to write stuff in the 70s to assorted Commands and overseas Air Forces. Was it 12 Commands? And 5 Air Forces?

It’s irrelevant … yes, it’s a lovely nostalgic photo of a great event back in the old days. And in 2022 all those assets coukd be wasted in a modern combat scenario in minutes.

mopardave 8th Jun 2022 19:30


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11242927)
Oh, guys, the World and Technology and Capability have moved on since then. There is no point in comparing then and now. I used to write stuff in the 70s to assorted Commands and overseas Air Forces. Was it 12 Commands? And 5 Air Forces?

It’s irrelevant … yes, it’s a lovely nostalgic photo of a great event back in the old days. And in 2022 all those assets coukd be wasted in a modern combat scenario in minutes.

You can't beat a little nostalgia......and it really is a fabulous photo.:ok:

MPN11 8th Jun 2022 19:42


Originally Posted by mopardave (Post 11242930)
You can't beat a little nostalgia......and it really is a fabulous photo.:ok:

yes indeed … despite the canopy covers and the NAAFI van! :ok:

mopardave 9th Jun 2022 07:37


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11242939)
yes indeed … despite the canopy covers and the NAAFI van! :ok:

But surely the NAAFI van is the heartbeat of the operation?

Asturias56 9th Jun 2022 08:17

For the record it isn' my picture gents - I can't find the thread in History & Nostalgia to give you the authors name ut I agree - an amazing shot

airsound 9th Jun 2022 19:23

Apologies for being late to the party - but I’ve only just caught up with the thread.

I have some experience of commentating at these events, including actually flying over Buck House in the Lancaster and reporting live on Radio 4, as part of the BoB 50th anniversary flypast in 1990.

As far as Huw Edwards’ was concerned, I noted that he fell into exactly the trap that I had tried to warn the MoD Chief Comms Officer (Events) about beforehand. I suggested that when the tv director keeps changing the aircraft in vision, so that they don’t appear in flypast order, the inexpert observer doesn’t know which aircraft it is that they’re looking at!

As it often does, that happened on Thursday, when the director chose to show the three Hercs of Wave 7 before the Phenom and four Texans of Wave 6. But Edwards lost the plot, despite the fact that we saw Wave 6 a few seconds later. He then misidentified the big transports of Wave 8 for the surveillance aircraft of Wave 9. Those were his most serious mistakes, but they could have been prevented, with expert help. And with such help, he might not have made his other errors.

I’ve pointed this out to MoD Events, and also to BBC Events, and suggested they that they could and should do better another time. Indeed, they have done better in the past - with Sophie Raworth on BBC1 in 2018 for the (bigger) RAF 100 flypast, when she was ably assisted by OC Coningsby, Air Cdre Mark Chappell.

Whether they (Beeb or MoD) will pay the slightest attention, who knows?…..

Btw, I thought the flypast itself was brilliant. And how excellent that they chose to do the ’70’ with front line fighters….

airsound


VictorGolf 10th Jun 2022 16:41

Plus one for Sophie Raworth. She did an excellent series at Duxford and also went flying at Stow Maries which is a hidden gem of a WW1 airfield. Not forgetting a terrific effort on a D-Day anniversary with "feeds" coming at her from several sites.

Tankertrashnav 10th Jun 2022 23:39


They're Handley Page Hastings, one of which is still to be seen in the Airspace building at Duxford.
(In answer to the question about the "taildraggers" in the 1953 photo).

In addition there is one at the Newark Aircraft Museum. Its a T5 which was previously at Lindholme on the Strike Command Bombing School, used for training V Force nav radars. On open days, etc you can look around for a small charge. I was horrified to see that they had altered the interior of the aircraft by moving the student navs' seats nearer to the table. I certainly didnt recall having any problems squeezing into my seat 40 years earlier!

airsound 11th Jun 2022 13:02

My first tour was on the excellent Hastings with 24 Sqn at Colerne. The Hasty-bird did evoke the odd comment as we trundled round the world. I well remember a USAF dispatcher at Lajes in the Azores, where we'd stopped for 100-octane, saying

Say, you ain't takin that ass-draggin, milk-suckin, four-motored Goony-bird across the Pond, are ya?
"Yup", we said - "Sheesh" was his response

And off we roared for Gander, Newfoundland

airsound

sycamore 11th Jun 2022 13:26

And heard in the Tower at Ottawa,whilst our AAEE Hasty arrived;`
`What is a Hastings,anyway...?
`It`s something like a 4-engined `Gooney-bird`.
`Geez man..that`s beyond the `fringe`..!

Thud_and_Blunder 11th Jun 2022 20:19

Thanks, airsound, for the sensible assessment of the reasons for the suboptimal BBC commentary.

`It`s something like a 4-engined `Gooney-bird`.
My Dad had the good fortune to go from Hastings at Lyneham to an exchange tour with the RCAF on their own version of the "4-engine Gooney Bird", the North Star (a Canadair-built DC4 with Merlin engines) - unfortunately, the longer engines put the props exactly in line with the pilots' seats, which led to the start of the tinnitus which plagued him thereafter.

steamchicken 11th Jun 2022 20:46

There's a Hastings at the Allied Museum in Berlin. Handsome beast, and although they were only ready for the last couple of months of the airlift they contributed a startlingly large percentage of the UK contribution through some function of (capacity, speed, all-weather capability, serviceability)

Wig Wag 13th Jun 2022 09:12

Closest we could get was Hyde Park but it was still very impressive:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bd787f7c2a.jpg

MPN11 13th Jun 2022 09:13

Very nice photo ... the sun on the wings and the clouds really make it "Tick VG"

Wig Wag 13th Jun 2022 09:14

Thank you!

treadigraph 13th Jun 2022 09:37


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11245329)
Very nice photo ... the sun on the wings and the clouds really make it "Tick VG"

Agreed - perfect!

H Peacock 13th Jun 2022 10:17

Ahh, a Top-side pass!

Shame there’s not a better way to keep the inside of the Lanc cool, she always looks somewhat better with the 2 upper hatches fitted?


Mactlsm1 13th Jun 2022 16:42

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....269466851c.jpg
Sorry to intrude- we didn't get aything better on the Shack - Just a bit more detail on the hatches. Mac

treadigraph 13th Jun 2022 17:21

H Peacock and Mactism1 - one lives and learns, watched the Lancaster display countless times over 45+ years and I never knew they did that with the hatches!

DaveReidUK 13th Jun 2022 18:07

That's what Photoshop was invented for. :O

ETOPS 13th Jun 2022 20:33

I've just seen a couple of videos showing an unusual object flying over the the Red Arrows as they approached the Mall during the fly past. Firstly - this was described as a "UAP" not a "UFO" and secondly - the videos were recorded simultaneously by seperate camerman. One was on the ground near Buckingham Palace and the other was the SKY TV helicopter over the Thames but shooting the same scene. I'm thinking this might be the first time such an event was independently photographed?



Fancy a Tic Tac ?


Davef68 13th Jun 2022 23:28


Originally Posted by Bob Viking (Post 11242807)
Of course they were. But times change. As an example, instead of a whole squadron dropping a couple of bombs each to damage a target, you can now have one jet drop one bomb and destroy a target. And that jet can carry a few of those bombs.

I know where this conversation will end up though so I’ll leave it there.

BV

You'll not get any argument on that from me! :-)


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