Red Arrows 2022 MOD Press Release explains a lot ( Jackon...)
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All RAF and services were brilliant today & it's only day one ! of four.. TFC |
Full Red Arrows Jubilee weekend and full Jubilee Flypast - info pack ;
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Full Red Arrows Jubilee weekend and full Jubilee Flypast - information here ( Notams , Timings, Rehearsals, NATS ) ; https://www.military-airshows.co.uk/...lypast2022.htm https://www.military-airshows.co.uk/...hedule2022.htm Enjoy :-) TFC. |
Was with the hoardes in St James Park and can attest it looked absolutely brilliant from there, with the "70" superb.
Interested that a Rivet Joint could be spared, considering how busy they must be at the moment. And 2 Voyagers, come to think of it. |
Originally Posted by Jackonicko
(Post 11239763)
The failure to issue actual maps showing where and when different elements were going to disperse - and their subsequent tracks - meant that it was always going to be a bit hit and miss what (if anything) you would see unless you positioned yourself on the run-in, up the Mall, or immediately behind the Palace (say in Grosvenor Gardens).
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Originally Posted by Wycombe
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Interested that a Rivet Joint could be spared, considering how busy they must be at the moment. And 2 Voyagers, come to think of it.
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Originally Posted by Stu666
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Of the three Rivet Joints we have, I believe one is currently in the USA undergoing a refit/deep maintenance and has been for some time. Don't believe it is due back anytime soon, so all the more remarkable one was spared for the flypast.
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Originally Posted by Dave Roome
(Post 11239708)
All credit to them, but it's the great British public who are poorly served by our public service broadcaster, who HAVE done it well in the past (more recently than Richard Dimbleby, who I don't remember commentating on any flypast, even the 1953 Odiham one) but who seem no longer to care about accuracy - a disservice to those who worked hard today to produce the spectacle that it was.
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I know this is not aviation related.
What is the significance of an 82 gun salute?? Surely 70 or 96 would have been more appropriate? Richard |
I watched the RAF fly past here on Sky News, first came the rotary types - but where were the Chinooks? Agreed the flip-floppng of the director from one formation to another didn't help but I would have thought the Chinooks desereved attention. Otherwise a great effort - by the RAF, not Sky News.
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Those banging on about Hew Edwards might remember the very knowledgeable contributions of some years ago by Julian Tutt. Tutt was a former RAF Regt officer who was once the Queen's Colour Bearer for a tour on QCS.
I understand that he might have had some issues with the BBC and don't know where he is now (somebody said local radio in Bath). Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton, who is very experienced in Royal issues, was a good choice o comment on the Trooping. Pity there were no tanks in the parade to rumble over the silly animal rights protesters but the Met was swiftly on the case! Old Duffer |
I thought Huw and the were visuals out of synch? He may have been looking at what he correctly identified but the director was doing other things.
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Originally Posted by Cortisol Depleted
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I thought Huw and the were visuals out of synch? He may have been looking at what he correctly identified but the director was doing other things.
CG |
I noticed (looking at the ADSB feed) that when the fast jets came over the coast one of them turned back / away... I can't fathom why... none seemed to be missing, but then why would an extra one have been sent!
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Airborne spare, I would assume.
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Seriously, chaps - HE was sitting in a windowless room, with a list of aircraft provided by the RAF and filtered by a producer, with monitors showing five or six different camera angles, while a director made independent decisions on which camera view to broadcast, and echelons of aircraft came overhead at 200 knots. He possibly had no idea what the broadcast output was showing at that moment. And he's a TV personality, not ex-aircrew or a spotter. He'd been live for over two hours, on what may well be the biggest show of the year, with a guest in the studio to engage with.
It's probably not as tough as flying an inverted Buccaneer at 20 ft around the Glens, as you gents have all done, but it's not easy; and using this error to slag off the BBC tells more about your own political agenda than it does about HE's ability. |
Originally Posted by DaveO70
(Post 11239958)
I noticed (looking at the ADSB feed) that when the fast jets came over the coast one of them turned back / away... I can't fathom why... none seemed to be missing, but then why would an extra one have been sent!
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Originally Posted by DaveO70
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I noticed (looking at the ADSB feed) that when the fast jets came over the coast one of them turned back / away... I can't fathom why... none seemed to be missing, but then why would an extra one have been sent!
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Voyager, F-35B x 2 and Typhoon x 2. Frame from a 3 sec Skype video clip! https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9aa2be6e6a.jpg Voyager + F-35B x 4 |
Some behinds the footage here - great work by the ground teams...
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Originally Posted by Jackonicko
(Post 11239763)
The failure to issue actual maps showing where and when different elements were going to disperse
That was a security measure, I once worked with a person who was involved in the XR “shut the airports” drone debacle. (He was an XR Lieutenant, Yes, they give themselves military ranks) it was a well planned drone terrorist attack, foiled by intelligence. XR or Insulate Britain or Stop Oil would have gone for the flypast. They may have done so anyway, have you not noticed all the GPS Jamming going on? There’s more than a few animal rights activists trying to disrupt the jubilee. |
Originally Posted by rcsa
(Post 11239981)
Seriously, chaps - HE was sitting in a windowless room, with a list of aircraft provided by the RAF and filtered by a producer, with monitors showing five or six different camera angles, while a director made independent decisions on which camera view to broadcast, and echelons of aircraft came overhead at 200 knots. He possibly had no idea what the broadcast output was showing at that moment. And he's a TV personality, not ex-aircrew or a spotter. He'd been live for over two hours, on what may well be the biggest show of the year, with a guest in the studio to engage with.
It's probably not as tough as flying an inverted Buccaneer at 20 ft around the Glens, as you gents have all done, but it's not easy; and using this error to slag off the BBC tells more about your own political agenda than it does about HE's ability. |
Originally Posted by Timelord
(Post 11240014)
All true no doubt. But the point of a TV commentary is to explain and amplify the pictures we are seeing. If that explanation is wrong, whatever the reason, then it is a cause for legitimate criticism from those who pay for the service.
Jack |
Fortunately it was a good day although a bit lumpy over the city.
A good effort by everyone involved from the sharp end to the techies ....... and the 70 formation was a delight. I'd like to thank particularly the Typhoons for flying straight over White Waltham on departure, as promised. Quite neat when everyone is relaxing after the sweat of getting it just right for the previous half an hour. Thank you. Makes you proud |
Originally Posted by DaveO70
(Post 11239958)
I noticed (looking at the ADSB feed) that when the fast jets came over the coast one of them turned back / away... I can't fathom why... none seemed to be missing, but then why would an extra one have been sent!
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There were 72 aircraft, rather than the advertised 70, over the Palace. Hopefully HM wasn't counting ...
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Originally Posted by BEagle
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As it was seen from Wanstead! Totally superb!! |
Originally Posted by wondering
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The left Typhoon is clearly too far ahead. Or the other two Typhoon next to it too far behind.
CG |
I thought that the flypast was superb.
As for wondering The left Typhoon is clearly too far ahead. Or the other two Typhoon next to it too far behind. Might be my imagination but all waves appeared to be angled off about 3 degrees from the North. In its self not too significant, however, it does make a difference in the photographs. Have the planners got the run-in track absolutely correct? |
I think one of the most impressive things about the fly past was how they (everybody involved) achieved those numbers and that standard given how busy we know some fleets are over Central Europe.
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Dave 070
That will have been the 'Whip'; responsible for advising the pilots: "Number two, forward 5 feet, Number 7 left 10 feet" etc. The airborne spares would probably have RTB once the formation pushed from the hold. (Oh, and just curious, but why does just about EVERY thread on this forum descend into a sub-branch of Aviation History & Nostalgia within 24 hours?) |
Because nostalgia is all that's left.
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Originally Posted by rcsa
(Post 11239981)
It's probably not as tough as flying an inverted Buccaneer at 20 ft around the Glens, as you gents have all done, but it's not easy; and using this error to slag off the BBC tells more about your own political agenda than it does about HE's ability.
I spent much of my professional life with the BBC as a continuity announcer, which sometimes involved officiating at live radio OBs. They're not remotely difficult and I didn't have (or require) producers and directors to assist. |
Originally Posted by Top West 50
(Post 11240099)
Because nostalgia is all that's left.
CG |
Originally Posted by charliegolf
(Post 11240075)
That's because HMTQ writes her 7s with a little downstroke at the beginning. Do check before posting!:ok:
CG |
Originally Posted by ACW599
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No it doesn't. It says something about the quite reasonable expectations people have of the BBC for reliability and accuracy, especially in view of the inordinately high payments made to its "personalities".
I spent much of my professional life with the BBC as a continuity announcer, which sometimes involved officiating at live radio OBs. They're not remotely difficult and I didn't have (or require) producers and directors to assist. |
What a rude remark.
I bet punkieyes doesn't" get much" with that sort of remark about our forces. I flew a Vulcan on a couple of Birthday Flypasts and when she was flown around the country on "the Last Flight" my wife insisted that we should position ourselves to see it go by! It didn't...it was off route by a mile or so to possibly acknowledge friends in a nearby village. Am I too late to whinge about it?
Originally Posted by punkieys17
(Post 11239609)
Well I dont get it. Like many we studied the zoomable maps to see a fly past........2 aircraft went past over the route at Chertsey in Surrey. A flock of helicopters then went sounth of the route by some 2 to 3 miles, disappointing the crowd that had gathered on the playing fields directly below the flight path. Given the lack of accuracy one can ony believe Ukraine would be in danger if we sent our flyboys.....
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Originally Posted by Dominator2
(Post 11240085)
Might be my imagination but all waves appeared to be angled off about 3 degrees from the North. In its self not too significant, however, it does make a difference in the photographs. Have the planners got the run-in track absolutely correct?
Are you suggesting they didn't overfly the Palace, or that they approached from the wrong direction ? |
They seemed, from that video, to be a bit to the right of The Mall. But then what is the planned alignment?
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