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DaveReidUK
Are you suggesting they didn't overfly the Palace, or that they approached from the wrong direction ? |
When Linton flew an 80 over RIAT the formation was 21 plus airborne spares.
When we did E II R over Portsmouth, can’t recall the actual number in the formation but it was mid 30s, quite exciting down the back end (wasn’t it Del Boy!). |
Originally Posted by Dominator2
(Post 11240166)
Dave, I am suggesting that as you sit at Buckingham Palace and look down the Mall towards Admiralty Arch all of the aircraft appear from slightly left of centre. This would indicate that the IP or previous turn point is not perfectly inline with the Mall.
If you look at the two Voyagers' tracks on FR24, from Colchester onwards the inbound track was 236°T to match the orientation of the Mall, so I don't see any evidence of a 3° divergence. |
Been racking what’s left of my brains about the Linton EIIR. I think we took 36 airframes, 33 flyers of which 3 were airborne spares plus 3 ground spares.
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Been racking what’s left of my brains about the Linton EIIR. I think we took 36 airframes, 33 flyers of which 3 were airborne spares plus 3 ground spares. |
Originally Posted by simmy
(Post 11240140)
I bet punkieyes doesn't" get much" with that sort of remark about our forces. I flew a Vulcan on a couple of Birthday Flypasts and when she was flown around the country on "the Last Flight" my wife insisted that we should position ourselves to see it go by! It didn't...it was off route by a mile or so to possibly acknowledge friends in a nearby village. Am I too late to whinge about it?
Or is that only certain people who do that? |
Originally Posted by charliegolf
(Post 11240130)
Even that's not as it used to be.
CG Another view is that it’s (nostalgia) definitely a thing of the past… Poor commentary? You betcha…GB News clip congratulated the red arrows in their F35s…. not that I give a damn about such apathy. |
Originally Posted by Dominator2
(Post 11240166)
DaveReidUK
Dave, I am suggesting that as you sit at Buckingham Palace and look down the Mall towards Admiralty Arch all of the aircraft appear from slightly left of centre. This would indicate that the IP or previous turn point is not perfectly inline with the Mall. |
Originally Posted by Pozidrive
(Post 11240279)
It's a deliberate offset to give all those on the Balcony a perfect view.
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Having done a couple (many years ago!) I thought that this was pretty good! Timeing good, tracking good and formation pretty good! Well done everyone involved - and I mean everyone!
Bill |
Watched GB News clip on the fly past (yea, yea, I know:rolleyes:) and was somewhat shocked to hear the presented chappy say:
”……here are the red arrows in the F35s” as a couple of 4 engined heavies blotted out the sun. |
Originally Posted by oldmansquipper
(Post 11240350)
Watched GB News clip on the fly past (yea, yea, I know:rolleyes:) and was somewhat shocked to hear the presented chappy say:
”……here are the red arrows in the F35s” as a couple of 4 engined heavies blotted out the sun. |
Originally Posted by Bill Macgillivray
(Post 11240327)
Having done a couple (many years ago!) I thought that this was pretty good! Timeing good, tracking good and formation pretty good! Well done everyone involved - and I mean everyone!
Bill |
Lay in bed and watched the entire broadcast, always find the Brit pageantry a class act. Well done all, the entire gamut, not just the RAF. :D :ok: Question tho, why the Reds with speed brake extended through out?
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Question tho, why the Reds with speed brake extended through out? |
Arrows airbrake use: isn't it to push up the RPM to improve throttle response?
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Originally Posted by Megaton
(Post 11240493)
Higher thrust so more bleed air to pressurise the smoke system giving stronger, more consistent trail?
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Originally Posted by Top West 50
(Post 11240099)
Because nostalgia is all that's left.
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Originally Posted by megan
(Post 11240450)
Question tho, why the Reds with speed brake extended through out?
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Good to see that the Reds came up with 9 aircraft, bearing in mind recent events.....
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On a slightly drifting note, during one of the “fill in” bits on TV with Ms Wark, Sir Stu Peach referred to HM as Commander in Chief of the armed forces. Is that right? Is that new? Is that wrong? I have only ever heard her described as “head” which is subtly different.
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Originally Posted by goldox
(Post 11239648)
According to Sky, the 70 symbol was made by the Red Arrows.
:ugh: Of course… we should have realised…all fifteen of them :ugh: |
Good to see that the Reds came up with 9 aircraft, bearing in mind recent events..... Glad to see Monty hasn't lost it; references nailed even though he’s on a ground tour! |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 11240214)
My take on it is that the formation flew parallel to, but very slightly north of, the Mall and overflew the wing of the Palace closest to Constitution Hill.
If you look at the two Voyagers' tracks on FR24, from Colchester onwards the inbound track was 236°T to match the orientation of the Mall, so I don't see any evidence of a 3° divergence. |
Originally Posted by Fortissimo
(Post 11240512)
Or higher drag so higher thrust for same IAS, which would put the engine rpm into a more responsive range so more precise forward movement. Higher drag would also help with quicker rearward movement.
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Arrows airbrake use: isn't it to push up the RPM to improve throttle response? |
Airbrake out
I’m sure I recall someone telling me that the disturbed airflow behind the airbrake also helps to make the smoke trail bloom more. Not sure if that’s a genuine reason or not but it seems feasible to me.
BV |
Originally Posted by rcsa
(Post 11239981)
Seriously, chaps - HE was sitting in a windowless room, with a list of aircraft provided by the RAF and filtered by a producer, with monitors showing five or six different camera angles, while a director made independent decisions on which camera view to broadcast, and echelons of aircraft came overhead at 200 knots. He possibly had no idea what the broadcast output was showing at that moment. And he's a TV personality, not ex-aircrew or a spotter. He'd been live for over two hours, on what may well be the biggest show of the year, with a guest in the studio to engage with.
It's probably not as tough as flying an inverted Buccaneer at 20 ft around the Glens, as you gents have all done, but it's not easy; and using this error to slag off the BBC tells more about your own political agenda than it does about HE's ability. Anyone can read a script out of sync with the video. What's actually required for the job is someone who watches the broadcast stream and knows their stuff. That someone was not Huw Edwards. |
Originally Posted by rcsa
(Post 11239981)
It's probably not as tough as flying an inverted Buccaneer at 20 ft around the Glens, as you gents have all done, .
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Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 11241778)
He appears to be paid a sight more, though; we wonder why ...
CG |
Originally Posted by charliegolf
(Post 11241803)
Had he done it for free, would the whining wold be less, then?
CG It would have been more because he would have been deriving someone who knew how to do it of paid work!! (And then someone else would have complained about you saying "for free" instead of "free" or "for nothing"! :ok:) |
Excuse my ignorance, but has any aircraft from the commonwealth air forces ever taken part in one the flypast to celebrate in one of the Queens anniversary's?
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Originally Posted by fallmonk
(Post 11242314)
Excuse my ignorance, but has any aircraft from the commonwealth air forces ever taken part in one the flypast to celebrate in one of the Queens anniversary's?
Canadian Sabres and Australian Vampires were part of the fly past for the 1953 RAF Coronation Review. The static display also included Australian Meteors and a New Zealand Bristol Freighter, A list of participants is here: https://www.hampshireairfields.co.uk/nos10.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haEe5KfxvUg |
Originally Posted by OvertHawk
(Post 11242260)
(And then someone else would have complained about you saying "for free" instead of "free" or "for nothing"! :ok:) CG *one that really grips my whatsit! |
… amd whimper!
Did the Kiwi Bristol Frightener fly to UK? Or walk? 🤠 |
Originally Posted by wondering
(Post 11240074)
The left Typhoon is clearly too far ahead. Or the other two Typhoon next to it too far behind.
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there were some great pictures of the 1953 parade in History & nostalgia a month or so back
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7fa0999635.jpg |
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Nice picture! Makes me feel really ancient, having worked on at least four of the types depicted - but wasn't in the RAF at that time.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11242571)
there were some great pictures of the 1953 parade in History & nostalgia a month or so back
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7fa0999635.jpg |
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