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cavuman1 26th May 2022 15:25

Aircraft Not Designed For But Operating From Aircraft Carriers
 
Is the membership able to cite other examples?
Carrier Ops With Unlikely Craft

- Ed

Sue Vêtements 26th May 2022 15:37

I'll take the starter for ten

B25

NutLoose 26th May 2022 15:44

Bird Dog

https://cessnabirddog.org/2017/08/th...ajor-buang-ly/


134brat 26th May 2022 15:49

Prestwick Pioneers from Seletar visited the deck of HMS Centaur and (maybe) Eagle.

Davef68 26th May 2022 16:03

AAC Beavers operated from carriers in the Middle and Far East in the 60s,

http://www.dhc-2.com/1489_XP824_Rich...flight_450.jpg

various types of Austers did the same earlier.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ger_A21295.jpg
The RN did the same with Tiger Moths

https://fft-keymilitary.b-cdn.net/si...?itok=37fQjm5m

Eric Brown flew both the Airacobra and Fiesler Storch on and off carriers.(The latter he landed ON the deck lift so it just needed wings folded and taken down)

Davef68 26th May 2022 16:04

BN Islander

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgsqOSSWkAAJNf9.jpg

Crromwellman 26th May 2022 16:07


Originally Posted by 134brat (Post 11235967)
Prestwick Pioneers from Seletar visited the deck of HMS Centaur and (maybe) Eagle.

How about the Army Air Corps Beavers based in Aden

cavuman1 26th May 2022 16:09

How 'bout good thing he snagged the fourth wire!
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e26a65dc62.jpg

- Ed ;)

Herod 26th May 2022 17:44

Spitfires and Hurricanes. OK, off only, but. And don't forget the Hurricanes operating from the merchant ships, again off only.

AlphaMikeTango 26th May 2022 18:00

Didn't the P-51D Mustang undergo carrier trials?

MPN11 26th May 2022 18:15

Vampire … Winkle Brown

C-130?

uxb99 26th May 2022 18:54

US Navy trialling X-Wing Snub nosed fighters from the USS Long Island.
https://www.navyhistory.org/wp-conte...12/itUSUKX.jpg

Ken Scott 26th May 2022 18:57


Spitfires and Hurricanes. OK, off only, but. And don't forget the Hurricanes operating from the merchant ships, again off only.
One Hurricane pilot having taken off the carrier for Ceylon had engine problems so landed back on, sans hook. Impressed the Navy chaps, apparently. I can’t remember his name but he was a 30 Sqn Sgt pilot as I recall.

212man 26th May 2022 19:15


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 11236021)
Spitfires and Hurricanes. OK, off only, but. And don't forget the Hurricanes operating from the merchant ships, again off only.

Well Seafire could land too

KPax 26th May 2022 19:39

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f7137b0303.jpg

Chugalug2 26th May 2022 19:49


Originally Posted by Ken Scott (Post 11236068)
One Hurricane pilot having taken off the carrier for Ceylon had engine problems so landed back on, sans hook. Impressed the Navy chaps, apparently. I can’t remember his name but he was a 30 Sqn Sgt pilot as I recall.

Sgt Whittaker was the 30 Sqn Hurricane pilot who landed safely back on HMS Indomitable sans arrester hook, following engine problems ATO on 20th March 1942. The aircraft, along with 19 other Hurricanes, had taken off from the carrier for Ratmalana, having been uncrated and assembled on board during the voyage. The reinforcement of Ceylon was just in time and the squadron played a vital role in repelling the anticipated attack by the Japanese Imperial Navy. Note that yet again the wily Japanese attacked on a Sunday, when of course the AD Radars were unmanned....

https://raf-waddington.com/history/ceylon2.html

lightonthewater 26th May 2022 19:54

From memory, Eric Brown's book stated that he landed a DH Mosquito on a carrier (and took off again).

pilotmike 26th May 2022 20:26


Dave Garrison completed a world microlighting first by making several take-offs and landings on HMS Illustrious, one of the Royal Navy's 'small' aircraft carriers, flying a Pegasus Q 462. This exercise in precision flying involved landing on a 'strip' barely wider than the Q's wingspan, lined with Sea Kings and Harriers and subject to the turbulence created by the bow wave.
https://www.bmaa.org/the-bmaa/bmaa-h...a-history-1989
https://www.bmaa.org/images/bmaa-his...ing-7sjf9y.jpg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a5226f68b2.jpg

sunnybunny 26th May 2022 20:34


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11236077)
Well Seafire could land too

didn’t some hurricanes land on HMS glorious when being evacuated from Norway?

Less Hair 26th May 2022 20:35

The U-2 did.

Senior Pilot 26th May 2022 20:38

Already mentioned, but the B25 Mitchells were a famous early use of non-carrier aircraft 👍


Then there are just about every helicopter pressed into carrier ops through until the late 50s, and many beyond that. No ‘carrier’ design needed!

All the early P1127 and Harrier carrier landings were non-carrier design, which proves the concept ‘better to stop then land than to land, then stop’ 🤔😇

Ascend Charlie 26th May 2022 21:50

There is an apocryphal tale of a Neptune on patrol, spots a US carrier and decides to fly a circuit to it.

On final, pilots see a bulldozer pushing a jet off the deck to allow the Neptune, obviously in a dire emergency, to land.

Power up, gear up, get the heck out of Dodge...

SpazSinbad 26th May 2022 23:32


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11236044)
Vampire … Winkle Brown & C-130?

Eric 'Winkle' Brown made the first pure jet carrier arrest in a SEA Vampire with a hook - designed for such evolutions. The C-130 was 'specially modified to make the unarrested deck landings with painted on the stbd side under cockpit window so FLYCO could see it: LOOK MA NO HOOK.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....76d0ef47f3.gif

typerated 27th May 2022 00:26


Originally Posted by sunnybunny (Post 11236111)
didn’t some hurricanes land on HMS glorious when being evacuated from Norway?

Yes, they had sandbags in the tail to allow full braking on landing - I think these were the first monoplane fighters landed on a carrier without a hook.
Also Gladiators came aboard
Shortly after Glorious was sunk by Scharnhorst and Gneisenau - sinking and lack of rescue for many survivors was a SNAFU

chevvron 27th May 2022 03:06

From Jan 1940 to the Aug 1942, some 670 Hurricanes and Spitfires flew off carriers in the Mediterranean en-route to Malta.
There were also some trials carried out after WW2 regarding the operation of small gliders on carriers but these were tethered.

megan 27th May 2022 03:19

There was at least one Spitfire flown off a carrier bound for Malta who found his drop tank wouldn't feed, landed back on successfully.

Didn't the P-51D Mustang undergo carrier trials
Yes.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....16c09b7da7.jpg

JagRigger 27th May 2022 10:23

Link here to a float equiped Swordfish landing on a carrier deck:

https://navywings.org.uk/portfolio/f...-on-a-carrier/

NutLoose 27th May 2022 11:04


Originally Posted by lightonthewater (Post 11236098)
From memory, Eric Brown's book stated that he landed a DH Mosquito on a carrier (and took off again).

Yes and his boss hadn't expected to see him again, so was surprised when he returned.

Don't forget the not so mighty Jag, though it was envisaged to use it as a carrier borne aircraft.

NutLoose 27th May 2022 11:06

Does the Sea Vampire minus the U/C count?

https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/co...ds_without_an/

Not_a_boffin 27th May 2022 11:56

https://www.raf.mod.uk/sites/raf-bet...5-0181-064.jpg


SpazSinbad 27th May 2022 12:19

GIF: https://www.history.navy.mil/researc...1940/1949.html

de Havilland F.20 Sea Vampire Flexible Rubber Deck Arrest Test


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c10e8b76e7.gif

layman 27th May 2022 12:23

A P-47 Thunderbolt is pushed into position for take-off from the USS Manila Bay, Saipan, Marianas Islands, June 23, 1944 : WWIIplanes (reddit.com)

Photos of them on the flight deck.

On 23 June, Manila Bay came under enemy air attack during refueling operations east of Saipan. Four Aichi D3A Val dive bombers attacked her from dead ahead, dropping their bombs which exploded wide to port. As a precautionary and rather unusual move which Raymond A. Spruance later characterized as "commendable initiative", Manila Bay launched four of the P-47 thunderbolts she was ferrying to fly protective CAP until radar screens were clear of contacts. The Army fighters then flew to Saipan, their intended destination.

Martin the Martian 27th May 2022 12:40

I seem to recall seeing footage of a Walrus or Sea Otter with wheels operating from a deck.

SpazSinbad 27th May 2022 13:01


Originally Posted by Martin the Martian (Post 11236465)
I seem to recall seeing footage of a Walrus or Sea Otter with wheels operating from a deck.

https://www.faaaa.asn.au/wp-content/...-SEPT-2017.pdf ". A Sea Otter landing on the flight deck of HMAS Sydney in the Jervis Bay Area early 1950"
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....666a72bcd1.jpg

Davef68 27th May 2022 13:39


Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 11236144)
There is an apocryphal tale of a Neptune on patrol, spots a US carrier and decides to fly a circuit to it.

On final, pilots see a bulldozer pushing a jet off the deck to allow the Neptune, obviously in a dire emergency, to land.

Power up, gear up, get the heck out of Dodge...

Reminds me, the USN did fly Neptunes from carriers

https://www.scramble.nl/military-new...clear-neptunes


https://fireaviation.com/wp-content/...aunch_1949.jpg

Planet Basher 27th May 2022 19:08

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c885c6795d.jpg

ericferret 27th May 2022 20:26


Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 11236144)
There is an apocryphal tale of a Neptune on patrol, spots a US carrier and decides to fly a circuit to it.

On final, pilots see a bulldozer pushing a jet off the deck to allow the Neptune, obviously in a dire emergency, to land.

Power up, gear up, get the heck out of Dodge...


The tower at Soest gave landing instructions to a passing Lightning who obliged by doing a wheels down approach to the 800m grass strip.
Then poured on the power and disappeared into the wide blue yonder. Circa 1975.

renfrew 27th May 2022 20:27

I remember a nice story in a book by a Beaver pilot.
Flying the local General back from Ethiopia to Aden a carrier appeared below.
The General apparently knew the Admiral and invited himself on board for tea.
Unfortunately our author forgot to tell ATC resulting in panic over a missing Beaver.

chevvron 27th May 2022 20:50


Originally Posted by SpazSinbad (Post 11236457)

The concrete foundation for the rubber landing deck is still in situ at Farnborough right outside the control tower and next to the DME installation..

hoodie 27th May 2022 21:47


Originally Posted by renfrew (Post 11236629)
I remember a nice story in a book by a Beaver pilot.
Flying the local General back from Ethiopia to Aden a carrier appeared below.
...

Reckon that was Think Like a Bird by Alex Kimball.

Absolutely wonderful book. :-)


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