Anybody any idea what was the last piston-engined aircraft to `take the wire` on a British carrier,and when...? and take-off...?
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Originally Posted by sycamore
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Anybody any idea what was the last piston-engined aircraft to `take the wire` on a British carrier,and when...? and take-off...?
Although a Whirlwind HAS 7 or HAR 7 might have been the last piston engine to land on a deck, no hook involved. |
This video would give rise to some claims.....piston powered aircraft making an arrested landing without a Tail Hook.....some real precision flying but I am not sure it would be considered "Hi-stress" by modern standards.
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Wow ... COD, the early days!
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Ken Wallis flew his autogiro off the back of the Isle of White ferry as a demo....:)
I tried to get the concept across of autogiros flying off and on fast patrol boats in littoral temperate waters ( e.g Gulf, Far East ) .The idea being that they could extend the boat's visual range and engage targets (smugglers etc.) with diversive weaponry whilst the boat caught up. RN rep.. of course kept blindly trotting out "Winter North Atlantic" as a mantra ............... |
They did, and without the benefit of hooks.
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Similar to this done by the German Navy during WWII?
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The Focke Achgelis Bachstelze rotor kite was unpowered and towed on a cable aloft behind a U Boat to provide an increased circle of vision. I was surprised how many survived the War . Ken Wallis was certainly well familiar with the type.!
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I believe the Tiger Club hatched a plan to try and land a couple of Turbulents on a carrier in the '60s or early '70s - think it may have been with the connivance of Pete Sheppard - but Their Warships said no...
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Originally Posted by Haraka
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The Focke Achgelis Bachstelze rotor kite was unpowered and towed on a cable aloft behind a U Boat to provide an increased circle of vision. I was surprised how many survived the War . Ken Wallis was certainly well familiar with the type.!
Jack |
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....29b0b2a1a7.jpg
RAF Calshot couldn't find a U boat for the AFEE trials of the Fa 330. |
Originally Posted by sycamore
(Post 11236675)
Anybody any idea what was the last piston-engined aircraft to `take the wire` on a British carrier,and when...? and take-off...?
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Davef68,thanks for that,and ,as I had forgotten about `cross-dressers,sorry cross-deckers`,I should actually have narrowed it a bit to `British,single-engine piston...etc...apologies for that...
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Originally Posted by Davef68
(Post 11237890)
I'd guess Grumman Trader from Ark Royal in 1972, unless someone knows of a later Trader/Tracker operation
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Didn’t the Americans operate artillery spotting Piper Cubs / Taylorcraft off of LSTs fitted with a rudimentary flight deck during WW2?
EDITED “Reference found” https://laststandonzombieisland.com/...raft-carriers/ |
Originally Posted by lightonthewater
(Post 11236098)
From memory, Eric Brown's book stated that he landed a DH Mosquito on a carrier (and took off again).
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Originally Posted by sandiego89
(Post 11238538)
Speaking of cross decking, I am aware of the UK and US forces doing so but did the Canadians and Dutch do much cross decking with the UK Aircraft carriers before they got out of the fixed wing carrier game? Argentina? (before 1992 obviously)- I am aware John Farley demonstrated G-VTOL or another Harrier on the 25 de Mayo on its way south after being sold.
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Originally Posted by sandiego89
(Post 11238538)
I am aware John Farley demonstrated G-VTOL or another Harrier on the 25 de Mayo on its way south after being sold.
https://scontent-lhr8-2.xx.fbcdn.net...dA&oe=62BBF239 |
Originally Posted by Haraka
(Post 11237010)
Ken Wallis flew his autogiro off the back of the Isle of White ferry as a demo....:)
I tried to get the concept across of autogiros flying off and on fast patrol boats in littoral temperate waters ( e.g Gulf, Far East ) .The idea being that they could extend the boat's visual range and engage targets (smugglers etc.) with diversive weaponry whilst the boat caught up. RN rep.. of course kept blindly trotting out "Winter North Atlantic" as a mantra ............... |
Gloster Meteor F3 flying from HMS Implacable June 48
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b5bc520cc.jpeg
Ok it did have a specially modified landing gear and hook. |
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Nice photo. 2 page PDF has two poor quality photos and this: “Following deck handling trials with a Meteor prototype in 1945, two [or one?] Meteor IIIs were fitted with an arresting hook and reinforced landing gear, and used for carrier trials in 1948. The two aircraft performed takeoffs & landings from HMS ILLUSTRIOUS and HMS IMPLACABLE. The Royal Navy was impressed by the navalized Meteor, but decided to obtain the Supermarine Attacker instead.” What If Modelers ? Best Modeling Forum and Resources
2 page PDF of RAAF 77 Squadron METEORS being returned to Oz via then HMAS Vengeance Oct 1954 |
Just watched a documentary of “Operation High Jump” on the US PBS Channel “NOVA” program of the 1946 Byrd expedition to the antarctic.
They flew 6 R4D / C-47 / DC-3 equipped with RATO and wheel Skis off of the carrier USS Philippine Sea. ( 1 take off only ). Other aircraft used included helicopters, Norseman ski-planes and Martin Mariner flying boats. Anyhow an interesting film. |
Phenomenal Approach
how about Embraer Phenom?
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...MB6w&fs=e&s=cl It was for TG Maverick https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b354b4d67.jpeg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ff1995a48.jpeg cheers |
Originally Posted by chevvron
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From Jan 1940 to the Aug 1942, some 670 Hurricanes and Spitfires flew off carriers in the Mediterranean en-route to Malta.
There were also some trials carried out after WW2 regarding the operation of small gliders on carriers but these were tethered. |
Originally Posted by chopper2004
(Post 11241998)
how about Embraer Phenom?
I have heard tales of Lightnings and a Vulcan doing practice approaches on RN Carriers, but nothing that low! |
An F-14 Tomcat in late 1970s carried out a late wave-off approach to HMAS Melbourne [light fleet carrier] (with permission from FLYco & LSOs during/after a RIMPAC). Pics to follow....
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I recall being told by a F104 pilot that approaches (fully configured) had been made to the Kiev when it was in the Baltic.
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https://www.freightdogmodels.co.uk/w...courier_3_.jpg
HS125 was proposed as a COD aircraft for the (cancelled) RN 1960s future carriers |
125, the BAe146 also; the USN carrier suitability group evaluated a 146 at PAX for the COD role.
The aircraft was flown with similar techniques as those for commercial steep approaches, but with a flare and landing target of 4ft sec +/-. Unfortunately the aircraft was not evaluated at sea; the airfield, dummy deck evaluation was interesting. |
One of our QFIs at Valley had been an RN 'Vixen pilot in previous years. On one 'KELTEX' against a carrier, he made a low approach and go-around....
....in a Gnat. Mind you, way back when there'd actually been some serious proposal to evaluate the Gnat for carrier operations - presumably the single seat version? |
Hi Beags,
Indeed a Naval Verion of the "Big Wing" final growth Mk 4 (Mach 1.5") was schemed. Primarily as a single seater apparently..... |
HUMOUR
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The Central lntelligence Agency and Overhead Reconnaissance: The U-2 and OXCART Programs, 1954-1974
https://www.docdroid.com/xbtfrRa/the...-1954-1974-pdf (66Mb) “...There was never another Agency U-2 mission from an aircraft carrier. Although the idea of using a floating airbase to avoid political sensitivity proved feasible, the cost did not. Aircraft carriers are enormously expensive to operate and require an entire flotilla of vessels to protect and service them. The movement of large numbers of big ships is difficult to conceal and cannot be hastily accomplished, while the deployment of a solitary U-2 to a remote airfield can take place overnight.” |
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P-47D flown off carriers Manila Bay and Natoma Bay to the Marianas https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a4fc6e636.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....968a4f0672.png |
Originally Posted by WB627
(Post 11247937)
Looks like someone took that idea and ran with it........ Good call IMHO
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And it's still doing it. :)
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Huzzah for a British jet trainer, subsequently modified for the use of the USN.
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Originally Posted by MPN11
(Post 11253045)
Huzzah for a British jet trainer, subsequently modified for the use of the USN.
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I'm very happy to see so many mentions of Eric Brown in this thread having just read his book - although I have been aware of his incredible record for many years. Astonishing man and surely a candidate for the greatest pilot of all time. The book "Wings on my sleeve" is a little dry but contains some very sly and self effacing humour. It would be good to see the UK erect a statue in his memory.
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