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A few of us went through the pantomime that was the appeal process and a some went further with grievances - the problem is that such processes are internal and adjudicated by employees of the organisation who come under the same SLT.
No surprise then to find that every grievance and appeal found in favour of the company. Employment tribunals are not expensive but you need strong proof. |
Noticed this earlier, unsurprising then that they don’t state they’ve lost the Curacao 🇨🇼 contract.
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And I'm sure they have glossed over the manpower shortages as well.
The only reason that contract kept going over the last 4 years was using Newquay-based personnel on detachment there - rob Peter to pay Paul. |
For those that don't know, statutory redundancy pay is capped at £571 per week (just changed from £544) and you are entitled to between 1/2 and 1.5 weeks pay for every year served with the company with a maximum of 20 years service and a top cap of around £17,000.
That sounds OK if you are an unskilled worker but for very well trained aircrew and engineers it is an insult. My 7 years with the company yielded just £5712. Uncapped I would have been looking at 3 times that. Small potatoes in the big picture but some guys had been working for them for a long time and lost £20K compared to what they could have had. Perhaps as a bunch of ex-mil guys we were a little naive in expecting the company to do the right thing rather than the cheap thing - especially when some of the SLT were also ex-mil - lesson learned. |
The SLT at Draken unfortunately includes the reptiles who managed FBH and Cobham. Arrogant lying bullies, every last one of them and God only knows what lies they have told to win the new UK contract. People should avoid Draken like the plague.
When there is an issue, they will use deflection, diversion and denial. If that does not work then they will use outright threats and intimidation. |
Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
(Post 11213368)
The SLT at Draken unfortunately includes the reptiles who managed FBH and Cobham. Arrogant lying bullies, every last one of them and God only knows what lies they have told to win the new UK contract. People should avoid Draken like the plague.
When there is an issue, they will use deflection, diversion and denial. If that does not work then they will use outright threats and intimidation. |
One has to wonder then why changes have not been made to the SLT by their new owners. It’s very unusual that the status quo remains. 2 days after announcing our redundancies, the CEO gave an all-hands video briefing to the rest of the company telling them all how well things were going and how bright the future was. The same man who said they couldn't pay enhanced redundancy pay as there was no money left for it!!! |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 11213268)
A few of us went through the pantomime that was the appeal process and a some went further with grievances - the problem is that such processes are internal and adjudicated by employees of the organisation who come under the same SLT.
No surprise then to find that every grievance and appeal found in favour of the company. |
Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
(Post 11213368)
The SLT at Draken unfortunately includes the reptiles who managed FBH and Cobham. Arrogant lying bullies, every last one of them and God only knows what lies they have told to win the new UK contract. People should avoid Draken like the plague.
When there is an issue, they will use deflection, diversion and denial. If that does not work then they will use outright threats and intimidation. I would however say that I don’t think I’ve ever heard of any company paying more than what was in the T&Cs of the contract. I guess if these lies they told were demonstrable then you’d have a very good legal case? |
They just brought my retirement closer than anticipated but the younger guys were much harder hit.
Redundancy pay wasn't in any of the Ts and Cs and they didn't have a published policy either - they hid behind that. |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 11213454)
They just brought my retirement closer than anticipated but the younger guys were much harder hit.
Redundancy pay wasn't in any of the Ts and Cs and they didn't have a published policy either - they hid behind that. |
When they sent two HR ladies down to Newquay during the consultation phase (leading to the actual redundancy notices) they locked themselves in an office, talked to nobody and were heard giggling and laughing down the corridor - sums their HR up frankly.
To be fair, I had conversations with one or two of them who were good but the leadership in that dept was atrocious. |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 11213492)
When they sent two HR ladies down to Newquay during the consultation phase (leading to the actual redundancy notices) they locked themselves in an office, talked to nobody and were heard giggling and laughing down the corridor - sums their HR up frankly.
I see that Draken told too many lies to their customers at Newquay and the academy went under. They have also lost the SAR contract for Curaçao. Surely enough alarm bells have rung to let Draken know that they have toxic people in their ranks? The ex-Cobham people will drag the company down again and again - they simply don’t know the meaning of ‘integrity’. |
Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
(Post 11213496)
I believe that. The management at Valley were a masterclass in arrogance and bullying of staff. Absolute dregs of humanity.
I see that Draken told too many lies to their customers at Newquay and the academy went under. They have also lost the SAR contract for Curaçao. Surely enough alarm bells have rung to let Draken know that they have toxic people in their ranks? The ex-Cobham people will drag the company down again and again - they simply don’t know the meaning of ‘integrity’. |
We’re going through the same thing at another site. Shame I can’t say more at this time:=
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Safety - Provide a safe workplace for our people, ensure the safety of the products and services we provide and take care of the environment we live in. Performance - Consistently deliver and seek to exceed expectations while improving what we do and how we do it. Innovation - Create an environment to encourage new ideas, regardless of where they come from and have the courage to try, fail, learn and then succeed. Relationships - Develop trusted interpersonal and customer relationships by listening, appreciating diversity, striving to understand, being inclusive and delivering on our commitments. Integrity - Act ethically in all that we do, not only in compliance with the laws and regulations that govern us, but also in the spirit of ethical behaviour and doing what is right. Trust - Be open, transparent, we say what we’ll do and do what we say. Draken had different words but same 'ethos'. |
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
(Post 11213496)
I believe that. The management at Valley were a masterclass in arrogance and bullying of staff. Absolute dregs of humanity.
I see that Draken told too many lies to their customers at Newquay and the academy went under. They have also lost the SAR contract for Curaçao. Surely enough alarm bells have rung to let Draken know that they have toxic people in their ranks? The ex-Cobham people will drag the company down again and again - they simply don’t know the meaning of ‘integrity’. My experience with Draken was quite different. A very good salary package, great pension and decent management. It's naive to think that a revenue based organisation was going to be anything other than brutal to ensure survival in these difficult times. It is happening everywhere at the moment. Newquay went under during a period where COVID restrictions prevented the centre from operating at any level of profit. The margin was already small and sadly, COVID killed it off. Waddington was driven by the OSD for E-3D being brought forward by the MoD. That action threw both 8 Sqn and Draken under a bus. Many service careers were (and still are) fouled as a result. |
Newquay went under during a period where COVID restrictions prevented the centre from operating at any level of profit. The margin was already small and sadly, COVID killed it off. The Academy was scuppered by lack of investment in modern aircraft and a reliance on a big contract that dropped into their laps. At every stage they promised far more to the customers than they could ever produce simply because the aircraft were old and tired - relics from DHFS. The one modern aircraft was left in the hangar rotting for many, many months while they tried to decide whether to sell it or not - when they finally got it up and running, they closed the academy. Still no excuse to treat the workforce so shabbily when they had worked so hard to make it a success. I presume someone from Draken got you to sign up to PPrune and make your first post here. |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 11214618)
Covid killed it off only because no-one from Draken was out there touting for contracts while everyone else in the industry got on with it.
The Academy was scuppered by lack of investment in modern aircraft and a reliance on a big contract that dropped into their laps. At every stage they promised far more to the customers than they could ever produce simply because the aircraft were old and tired - relics from DHFS. The one modern aircraft was left in the hangar rotting for many, many months while they tried to decide whether to sell it or not - when they finally got it up and running, they closed the academy. Still no excuse to treat the workforce so shabbily when they had worked so hard to make it a success. I presume someone from Draken got you to sign up to PPrune and make your first post here. nobody made me sign up to comment on your post. I joined a long time ago but, have never felt the need to post. I added my post to add some balance to the thread; that's not to say that I do not sympathise with what happened at Newquay. The writing was on the wall for a long, long time. I would suggest that there were, and continue to be, experiences at Bournemouth and TIA for most people that heavily contrast with those at Newquay. |
I hope that is true Underfoot but I would advise them to check Ts and Cs regarding redundancy anyway, just so they know for sure.
I have PM'd you but apparently your inbox is too full to receive it. |
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