Storm Damage - RAF Brize Norton
 

Ouch. So, either still under construction or inadequate tiedown boltings, either in size or number.

I feel sorry for anyone downwind of that lot, try to stay well away; flying sheets are especially deadly things!

Could I make a request, please, EngO? Would you consider adding a quick note underneath what I presume is a Tw@tter quote, for those of us who don't use soshul meejah, so that we can get the gist of what you're reporting? Otherwise we just see a completely blank message.

It's embedded in the post so should show regardless (I don't use Twitter). Maybe a browser issue (works fine on Chrome both laptop and mobile for me).

To be fair, some of the gust speeds being quoted around the SW and SE today, are borderline close to the 1 in a 100 year max design wind speed for new building design in the UK, although equally you'd still not expect to see roof sheeting flying off like this...........although that roof shape could be creating some interesting local effects up there!!

Wouldn't be surprised is some of the newish roofs at Lyneham took off as well.

A400 question….do they have to be turned out of the wind like the herc used to in the Falklands?

The DH Venom that was mounted up on a curved pole outside the airfield fence of Grove airfield made a bid at a take-off again, and is now a crumpled wreck on the ground.....

I’m sure the design and construction contract represented excellent value for money…..

Much like the O2 I guess…🤭

Judging by the amount of FOD shown drifting across the airfield, they are going to need a sh*t load of 12 inch rulers to put in all the FOD found photos for February. :E

Yes, that is likely to be near the expected 100year storm limit speed - up North I think some of those limits have been increased somewhat. In some parts they even install ropes and wires to hold roofs down!
My wife also thought that that roof shape looked quite wing like; probably some good suction effects there.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....819367e50a.jpg

:( from

https://www.key.aero/forum/historic-...-thanks-eunice

Nice explanation of the challenges faced by pilots landing at Heathrow in such conditions on Sky right now.

Dumbed down by the meejah of course, an ex CAA Ops bloke Cpt Mike Vivian replies to the meejah presenters question “Oohhh, how scary is it landing those big planes in those treacherous and dangerous winds….”

to summarise ….it’s what pilots are trained for….

(and inferring, as we all know, it’s actually great fun)…

Any aircraft would have been stuck nose into wind today if possible. My airline didn't bother flying into southern England today. A wise decision.

O2 arena design life. 25 years. 90% there.

Seeing some of the pilots write about their experience in such conditions in forums I see, they are not happy bunnies. Passengers do no like being bumped about. They don't go flying from A to B for that. It is not safe flying.

“Bit of speed tape, and a quick buff up and it’ll do a trip…just as well as Boris wants it to go to Estonia tomorrow”

A concept that could shortly be a tad redundant. Lots of info online (from highly reputable sources) for those who wish to dig it up on "Extreme Event Attribution":

I've no wish to be either controversial or apocalyptic; I'm merely pointing out that today's extremes could soon becomes tomorrow's "normals". Being an old timer, I have the evidence of my own eyes to back up some of the stuff I look up and read. Seems to me our weather patterns are changing and the available literature is ever-more convincing.

I'm neither qualified nor sufficiently peremptory to pontificate from a climate-change pulpit, but one likes to be a little open-minded when the future of the planet is at stake. Or, if not quite that, then at least the future of my roof :)

Does that hangar belong to the govt or is it owned by the training / support PFI (or is it a PPP!)?

Several comments about the shape of the roof, and I agree with them. Perhaps architects should study Bernoulli.

I started a thread on this issue in the PPRuNe Problems or Queries forum https://www.pprune.org/pprune-problems-queries/644312-posted-links-twitter-not-visible-firefox.html#post11160688 the issue seems to be linked to cookie/tracker settings. If you right click and select View Page Source you can then search for the relevant post and find the twitter url.

I expect the landings of ZEUS51 and the other BUFF made interesting viewing.:}

Naturally my thoughts are with those being thrown about by the sea not necessarily dangerous but definitely unpleasant.

The EGLL footage reminds me of flying into ENTO as SLF courtesy of Michael O’Leary, my hands being crushed by my wife on one side and a young Norwegian women on the other, with the aircraft pointing an average 45°+ away from the centreline with fairly violent motion around all three axes, quick turn to align and smooth landing - what's was all the fuss - a professional doing his job.

And meanwhile I assume Base Hangar sails serenly on....... (with an intact roof!!)

Reports of a 122 mph gust on the IOW. A new record for England.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9698dc0bc7.jpg

Yeah, no pissing about with a flare…

It's got a gappy end to allow for the doors to be opened, strange design.

Talking of Base Hangar. I was there for the 87 storm and remember a 12 foot scaffold plank got blown off the roof and went "end on" through the soft top roof of a TR7 and destroyed the drivers seat. The Cpl had only parked it there 5 mins before.

SLXOwft, many thanks - wasn't aware it was a problem, didn't know of your thread and don't use Firefox... but it obvs applies to other browsers too (Brave, in this instance). Followed yr advice, found 5287 lines of code, did a Ctrl-F for the website name and found the linky on about the 5th or 6th out of 14 mentions. Tbh, life's just too short - I'll just ignore these posts in the future. Many thanks for taking the time to explain.

Wind extremes. affecting UK.

I started my Met. career in 1955. Round about 20 years later I began to suspect the N hemisphere Highs were getting higher, and Atlantic Lows getting deeper [if true, more spaghetti, so more wind].
In those days Daily Weather Reports [DWRs] were published for us by in-house HMSO, and were available for yonks backwards. Thus a simple project, take a few 5 deg Lat by 5 Deg long Atlantic boxes, and note the lowest pressure in each box each day [Highs are less exciting so I did no research on them]. Not rocket science, and I oversimplify somewhat]

There was a definite trend over 20 years or so ....... once upon a time a depression of lower then 960mb excited comment, but there appeared to be more and more in the 950s as time went on.
I never finished the project because promotions and postings led me upwards and sideways away from the source of DWRs and I think they ceased to be printed.

So, no conclusions, just suspicions. If the Highs merely maintained their old high values, more isobars, more wind would result.

I bet current aviators glancing at an Atlantic chart would not blink at a 950 mb low: when I were a lad they seemed remarkable!

In passing, Eunice's Low was not very low at all, just lots of isobars.

just quote the thread as in a reply, it shows the link, then copy and paste… simple

Nutty - the engineer's approach is, as usual, practical and effective.:ok:

Basic aerodynamics ‘innit…

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b120c8e19.jpeg
Maybe all officers need to be Pilots, or at least Aircrew again? :}

Thud and blunder link here

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/wind...-brize-norton/

At least the hangar is at the eastern end of Brize so the debris blows away from the aircraft.

Is that really correct... £70 million for an aeroplane shed ??

Three sheds in one, plus offices and a damned great big concrete apron, plus probably all the junk inside for the aircraft.

Indeed.....in fact £70m sounds a bit cheap, as the then new BA Maintenance hangar built at Cardiff cost £70m, and that was 30 years ago!!

When the roof peeled off Alpha Hangar at Waddington a couple of decades ago, it was blamed on the roof being shaped like the upper surface of an aerofoil. Who says doing 'Lessons Learned' events are a waste if time?

GeeRam,

Maybe they saved money on something like ……the roof?

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