Dassault Falcon 900LX replace 32 Sqn BAE 146
 

Here ya go

https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles...AqlHweXUs4xOlg


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Already a thread running on this.

Four engines reduced to 3! A 25% reduction in emissions!:8

Not a bad little gig. Get a Falcon 900 type rating courtesy of the RAF.

Ssssh, no-one mention it's one more than the BAE125s.... :-)

G-AMILA and G-ATE?

Oddly enough, I might be wrong, but I seem to remember something about the Falcon 2000 wing being the same as the 900 but they had blanked of part of the tankage to stop people buying the twin instead of the trijet.. after all why buy three when you can fly on two and have the same range.

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en...t/falcon-2000/

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en...ft/falcon-900/

I used to work on a 900, nice aircraft.

How about G-OVEN and G-OUKG?

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G-OURS and G-EXEU

Right. Whenever you need to shop for an aircraft carrier or VVIP jet you go to...?

Then you leave the RAF and find out that your CAA AML rating with it is worthless with most corporate operators will want an EASA member state licence so you can sign non G aircraft. That is the truth with most job adverts for UK corporate operators now. You swap your licence?

You could have held both at one point
https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-ind...nance-Licence/

But i think they were referring to Pilots licences

Take off and landing performance substantially different though. I once saw the GLAM land Sarkozy on wet runway 35 at Cannes in a 900. The threshold is displaced to about a third of the way down the runway on 35, and they landed it right on the piano keys - looked like no chance of stopping. But it stopped with hundreds of metres to spare. The t/o was equally impressive.

They were. AML's you could not. You could have swapped them. I was an idiot not to. Then again COVID got in the way.

G-LIAR and G-PRAT ?

Yes you could have applied to get an EU licence then later the CAA fearing having no one left offered a dual licence if you had changed to an EU one. Not sure if it’s still possible, but I doubt it. Still odd that we now have a CAA Part 66 and CAA Section L licences.

If you hold an EASA ATPL and previously held a UK ATPL, there is a process for re-issuing a new UK licence with minimal pain. The easy route needs to be followed this year. It was not an afterthought by the CAA, but planned during the BREXIT negotiations. The hope was that EASA would reciprocate with common sense applied by both sides.

We were taking engineer licences Arthur.

You’re right. It was more aimed at the pilots rather than the maintainers though.

Great paint scheme....will it say "Made in France" by the door?

Yes, you are correct. But we are not part of EASA anymore so what EASA think of our licences is their business and not ours. We will diverge from EASA in regs very shortly so there is no commonality. Some may say for the better. I suspect otherwise. UK engineers that have already swapped licences can get CAA ones now. I know with my one current rating that is live, I am now barred from most corporate operators of the same type.in this country. And it was up to people working for G companies on G aircraft to be forced to change their NRA licence when one was still using them. I wish I had done so. As for PART 66 and Section L debate, I would stick with the PART 66 as it ended up. It is interesting to chat to guys that did section L in 1990s and myself that ended up doing the late EASA Part 66 to first type. Proof I had to obtain and prove was a lot more that the basic oral.

Interestingly, Lizz Truss travelled to Moscow on a diplomatic mission on one of the 146s surprisingly rather than the A321s. Interestingly, it seemed to include a refuelling stop in Warsaw. A Falcon 900 could do that in one.

Cat, you can hold a part 66 and a Section L for free, or it was at my last renewal, on my last one as long as I had certified on my part 66 that was enough, prior to that I listed my Spitfire X1X engine / airframe experience for it.

As for the section L / Part 66 debate, the section L was hard, stupid things like sitting all the exam modules and then failing one resulting in all the module exams requiring to be retaken, even if previously passed and also a time limit on sitting them all.

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I will take you up on the BCAR L. Be interesting to see. Having to retake subjects you passed is non sensical to be honest. Was a time limit on EASA until recently extended. However with Part 66 surprisingly as first type you have to do the jobs and supposed to be examined in knowledge by the B1 certifying as an oral as you do them. Back on topic mind. More Union Flags pouring down a drain plug. This lot got another huge bung from HMG to keep a sponsor going? Titan seen to have got a great deal (I almost worked for, they would have been hit hard bar their military and cargo contracts and do have mates working there) but it is public money! I forgot, no corruption at all with HMG.

How, they've both been consigned to museums? Was this yesterday?
Boris going to Poland today presumably on a '321 and Prince Willam in Dubai in '336 today.

I think only one has gone to a Museum (Duxford) The other CC2 is still in service at the moment. Not sure of the C3s,


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/f...gainst-ukraine

Was it an urban myth that a Dassault Falcon got delivered with snooping equipment on board?

Probably snooping versions of the Falcon exist across the world, but probably the most “famous” Falcon was

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-...y-frigate/amp/

Yeap, great day it was. For years they believed it had been a Mirage F1EQ - and they were wondering why it was flying at such a low speed, as seen on the radars....

I assume the shading is artistic licence, rather than impressive use of ground effect or a previously unpublicised hover capability ...

Seen 3 jobs advertised for engineers at Northolt for Falcon 900. Must be British licences as well. Only Falcon 900 job I could apply for seeing the rest of the UK corporate world is outside the limits for my great UK CAA AML.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....caac3d7bfb.jpg
value for money and a waste of money. Boris looking for another hi viz jacket.

Second Envoy
 

https://raf.mod.uk/news/articles/roy...ity/?fs=e&s=cl


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Really went to town on that paint scheme, it looks like a handback white tail..

I wonder why they never went with Royal Air Force Air Support Command? we used to have one..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Air_Support_Command

Nice and anonymous

Maybe because Air Support Command was disbanded in 1972, 50, that’s FIFTY, years ago!

If you look at the nose of both aircraft (one the top, just aft of the radome) the one of the left seems to be fitted with the 'Enhanced Flight Vision System' but not the one of the right. Have they both different avionics?

Or a bit of a building in the background?

Well, as they have formed a new “Command” they could have just as well resurrected an older one.

I did wonder if they were delivered as white tails to get modified with a secure fit and IR jammers etc before adding the final scheme?

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This is the first one, looks like EFVS fitted.

Dave, I believe one went to Duxford and one to Saints, they were then spares recovered for the company that bought the others in NZ, I believe they were the ones that donated them to the museums, NOT the MOD. It bloody annoys me that when you read all bumpf from the RAF and MOD appear to take some credit for them going to the museums without actually stating who donated them.

https://www.key.aero/article/raf-ret...46-iwm-duxford

Off the MOD website

so someone’s telling porkies.

https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/royal-jet-lies-in-for-retirement-at-south-wales-museum/

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/112202-uks-royal-air-force-ends-bae-146-operations