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Not_a_boffin 16th Mar 2023 09:42


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11402575)
Just sayin’…..



Powerful article on state of Canadian submarine plans. Without urgent action, Canada may soon cease to operate a submarine force.

Canadian government noncommittal on new submarines as allies push forward with nuclear fleet plans

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...ar-fleet-plans

Canadian government noncommittal on new submarines as allies push forward with nuclear fleet plans

Military commanders and experts say subs are critical to defending Canada, including in the Arctic, as Russia and China build up their own underwater fleets

They are really struggling with the U-boats.

golder 16th Mar 2023 10:21


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11403072)
Why would China hit targets in Australia - its further away than Finland. I think Rota in Spain is closer to China than Darwin.

Maybe to try and take out the military equipment, in the US proxy state? That the US has forward deployed here. It's not easy for the US, running a hegemonic empire.

Asturias56 16th Mar 2023 14:14


Originally Posted by golder (Post 11403116)
Maybe to try and take out the military equipment, in the US proxy state? That the US has forward deployed here. It's not easy for the US, running a hegemonic empire.


hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS

ORAC 16th Mar 2023 14:42

Hansard have corrected the transcript of the Defence Minister's AUKUS Parliamentary statement to clear up confusion.
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The first Australian SSN-AUKUS will be built in South Australia, not in Barrow.

All nuclear reactors will be built / assembled in the UK.

rattman 16th Mar 2023 19:46


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11403285)
hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS

They did try that, it didn't work. The chinese citizens froze in the dark. They stopped buying coal and guess what the australian coal was sold else where and either china had to buy poor qualitiy other coal or they got australian coal from 3rd party whit approprate markup. Now they willing to buy Australian coal again, theres very little available

tartare 16th Mar 2023 22:26


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11403072)
Why would China hit targets in Australia - its further away than Finland. I think Rota in Spain is closer to China than Darwin.

Not sure if you're being ironic but in case not - for those not familiar with the detail, there is every likelihood that in the event of a conflict over Taiwan, the US would seek to disperse to bases in the top end of Australia.
US Air Force assets already rotate through RAAF bases here (B-52s, B-2s, B-1s, F-22s etc have all visited).
There are also 1,000+ US marines in Darwin (correct me if I'm wrong on latest numbers).
I have seen suggestions that Australia could suddenly face a request by the US to host upwards of 250,000 troops.
In addition, Pine Gap near Alice Springs would be critical in monitoring any conflict - it downlinks SIGINT and IMINT from US satellites that watch the region - and sends it back to Fort Meade and Chantilly.
Harold E Holt Naval Communications Station near Exmouth in WA is also crucial in providing very low frequency coms to US and Australian submarines.
And JORN, the Jindalee over the horizon radar network uses large transmitter, receivers at various locations in remote Australia , which can effectively watch air and sea-surface activity reportedly to Indonesia - possibly further.
I'd suggest that if China was really serious about taking Taiwan, it would either target some or all of these facilities pre-emptively with conventional strikes, or it would consider doing so as part of second, or third wave strikes.
I think it's unlikely it'd break the taboo and use nuclear weapons.
All of these mainland Australia locations are easily within range of the DF-4 and DF-31.
There is also ongoing interdiction or partial blockade of our sea lanes (how many days of petrol do we have in reserve?!) and sabotage of undersea cables to consider.
If a war looks likely in the South China sea - then Australia definitely is a potential target for discrete Chinese strikes on some or all of these facilities, not Australian urban centres, or a land invasion by Chinese ground forces as Keating alludes to.
He knows that, and is being disingenuous in implying otherwise.

rattman 17th Mar 2023 03:35

FMS for 200 tomahawks has been granted. These are specifically VLS versions for the hobart Air Warfare Destroyers

Lookleft 17th Mar 2023 03:40


hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS
You don't seem to know much about Australian politics especially suggesting that the Labor party would get rid of AUKUS.

rattman 17th Mar 2023 04:36


Originally Posted by Lookleft (Post 11403640)
You don't seem to know much about Australian politics especially suggesting that the Labor party would get rid of AUKUS.

Hes a dumbo theres no "labour" party in australia and as I said they already tried and come back begging

Asturias56 17th Mar 2023 08:49

Labour or Labor - still the same folks

They'll ditch AUKUS when the bills start rolling in


rattman 17th Mar 2023 09:26


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11403733)
Labour or Labor - still the same folks

They'll ditch AUKUS when the bills start rolling in


All I can say is lucky the adults are back in power, LNP worked hard to destroy the country. Hopefully labor is around long enough to fix it

Buster Hyman 17th Mar 2023 10:22


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11403761)
All I can say is lucky the adults are back in power, LNP worked hard to destroy the country. Hopefully labor is around long enough to fix it

Wow, just wow! :rolleyes:

Lonewolf_50 17th Mar 2023 15:56


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11403637)
FMS for 200 tomahawks has been granted. These are specifically VLS versions for the hobart Air Warfare Destroyers

Sone info on that in this news story.
US agrees to sell 220 Tomahawk missiles to Australia | CNN

The US State Department has approved Australia’s request to buy up to 220 long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles, making it only the second US ally to obtain the US-made weapon after the United Kingdom.
According to a statement from the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the deal will cost as much as 1.3 billion Australian dollars ($895 million), including maintenance and logistical support.
“The proposed sale will improve Australia’s capability to interoperate with US maritime forces and other allied forces as well as its ability to contribute to missions of mutual interest,” the statement added.
CNN, consider the source.

golder 17th Mar 2023 16:23

Would it be better from Fox?

But it is accurate.
https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/maj...-weapon-system
PDF Version
Press Release - Australia 23-02 CN.pdf
Media/Public Contact
[email protected]
Transmittal No
23-02WASHINGTON, March 16, 2023 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Australia of Tomahawk Block V and Block IV All Up Rounds

(AUR) and related equipment for an estimated cost of $895 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 11403788)
Wow, just wow! :rolleyes:

Same circus, just different clowns.

pr00ne 18th Mar 2023 06:17


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11403285)
hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS

Er, Labour ARE in power in Australia!

And they are firmly behind AUKUS.

golder 18th Mar 2023 07:31


Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 11404226)
Er, Labour ARE in power in Australia!

And they are firmly behind AUKUS.

Thanks, I missed correcting that

Asturias56 18th Mar 2023 08:37

they are today but in the future???

golder 18th Mar 2023 09:32


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11404273)
they are today but in the future???

What about when we become a fascist republic? Mate, stop digging your hole...move on.

ORAC 19th Mar 2023 15:45

Sir Humphrey:

The Pinstripedline analysis of the AUKUS SSN deal, why it provides both long term opportunity for the UK but could also be a 'policy albatross' and why Australia may supplant the UK as the key US ally is now live.

https://tinyurl.com/2b8mmh5f

rattman 20th Mar 2023 04:40

Missed an interview with Richard Marles, Australian defence minister. He said that the first virginia's would be around 2030 and be 13 years old. That would put it at the Washington SSN 787, Block 3.



That would Washington, Colorado and Indiana to australia with South Dakota and Delaware with the possible 2 additionals. All block 3


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