Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11402575)
Just sayin’…..
Powerful article on state of Canadian submarine plans. Without urgent action, Canada may soon cease to operate a submarine force. Canadian government noncommittal on new submarines as allies push forward with nuclear fleet plans https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...ar-fleet-plans Canadian government noncommittal on new submarines as allies push forward with nuclear fleet plans Military commanders and experts say subs are critical to defending Canada, including in the Arctic, as Russia and China build up their own underwater fleets |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11403072)
Why would China hit targets in Australia - its further away than Finland. I think Rota in Spain is closer to China than Darwin.
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Originally Posted by golder
(Post 11403116)
Maybe to try and take out the military equipment, in the US proxy state? That the US has forward deployed here. It's not easy for the US, running a hegemonic empire.
hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS |
Hansard have corrected the transcript of the Defence Minister's AUKUS Parliamentary statement to clear up confusion. The first Australian SSN-AUKUS will be built in South Australia, not in Barrow.. All nuclear reactors will be built / assembled in the UK. |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11403285)
hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11403072)
Why would China hit targets in Australia - its further away than Finland. I think Rota in Spain is closer to China than Darwin.
US Air Force assets already rotate through RAAF bases here (B-52s, B-2s, B-1s, F-22s etc have all visited). There are also 1,000+ US marines in Darwin (correct me if I'm wrong on latest numbers). I have seen suggestions that Australia could suddenly face a request by the US to host upwards of 250,000 troops. In addition, Pine Gap near Alice Springs would be critical in monitoring any conflict - it downlinks SIGINT and IMINT from US satellites that watch the region - and sends it back to Fort Meade and Chantilly. Harold E Holt Naval Communications Station near Exmouth in WA is also crucial in providing very low frequency coms to US and Australian submarines. And JORN, the Jindalee over the horizon radar network uses large transmitter, receivers at various locations in remote Australia , which can effectively watch air and sea-surface activity reportedly to Indonesia - possibly further. I'd suggest that if China was really serious about taking Taiwan, it would either target some or all of these facilities pre-emptively with conventional strikes, or it would consider doing so as part of second, or third wave strikes. I think it's unlikely it'd break the taboo and use nuclear weapons. All of these mainland Australia locations are easily within range of the DF-4 and DF-31. There is also ongoing interdiction or partial blockade of our sea lanes (how many days of petrol do we have in reserve?!) and sabotage of undersea cables to consider. If a war looks likely in the South China sea - then Australia definitely is a potential target for discrete Chinese strikes on some or all of these facilities, not Australian urban centres, or a land invasion by Chinese ground forces as Keating alludes to. He knows that, and is being disingenuous in implying otherwise. |
FMS for 200 tomahawks has been granted. These are specifically VLS versions for the hobart Air Warfare Destroyers
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hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS |
Originally Posted by Lookleft
(Post 11403640)
You don't seem to know much about Australian politics especially suggesting that the Labor party would get rid of AUKUS.
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Labour or Labor - still the same folks
They'll ditch AUKUS when the bills start rolling in |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11403733)
Labour or Labor - still the same folks
They'll ditch AUKUS when the bills start rolling in All I can say is lucky the adults are back in power, LNP worked hard to destroy the country. Hopefully labor is around long enough to fix it |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11403761)
All I can say is lucky the adults are back in power, LNP worked hard to destroy the country. Hopefully labor is around long enough to fix it
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Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11403637)
FMS for 200 tomahawks has been granted. These are specifically VLS versions for the hobart Air Warfare Destroyers
US agrees to sell 220 Tomahawk missiles to Australia | CNN The US State Department has approved Australia’s request to buy up to 220 long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles, making it only the second US ally to obtain the US-made weapon after the United Kingdom. According to a statement from the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the deal will cost as much as 1.3 billion Australian dollars ($895 million), including maintenance and logistical support. “The proposed sale will improve Australia’s capability to interoperate with US maritime forces and other allied forces as well as its ability to contribute to missions of mutual interest,” the statement added. |
Would it be better from Fox?
But it is accurate. https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/maj...-weapon-system PDF Version Press Release - Australia 23-02 CN.pdf Media/Public Contact [email protected] Transmittal No 23-02WASHINGTON, March 16, 2023 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Australia of Tomahawk Block V and Block IV All Up Rounds (AUR) and related equipment for an estimated cost of $895 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.
Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
(Post 11403788)
Wow, just wow! :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11403285)
hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS
And they are firmly behind AUKUS. |
Originally Posted by pr00ne
(Post 11404226)
Er, Labour ARE in power in Australia!
And they are firmly behind AUKUS. |
they are today but in the future???
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11404273)
they are today but in the future???
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Sir Humphrey:
The Pinstripedline analysis of the AUKUS SSN deal, why it provides both long term opportunity for the UK but could also be a 'policy albatross' and why Australia may supplant the UK as the key US ally is now live. https://tinyurl.com/2b8mmh5f |
Missed an interview with Richard Marles, Australian defence minister. He said that the first virginia's would be around 2030 and be 13 years old. That would put it at the Washington SSN 787, Block 3.
That would Washington, Colorado and Indiana to australia with South Dakota and Delaware with the possible 2 additionals. All block 3 |
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