Good points N_a_B.

This is the Government position on the disposal UK Nuclear Submarine disposal


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UK Nuclear Submarine storage at Rosyth

This article also backs up your thoughts about the dismantling likely to be done on site. Navy Lookout RN Submarine Dismantling

Your observation about the difficulty of towing a submarine appear to be correct which is why they fit reusable tow bridles to decommissioned US Navy submarines when they are to be moved.


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Decommissioned USS Baton Rouge fitted with a reusable tow bridle around the bow.

It looks like the decision on which submarine and where it will be built will be announced before the next Australian Federal election is called.

Defence Minister Peter Dutton says AUKUS subs deal being fast-tracked



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No they said it wont be announced. Navy recomended sydney or 2 locations in jervis bay (all lib seats) LNP heard Brisbane or 2 locations around wollongong (all labor seats)

Jervis Bay falls in the electorate of Gilmore, which is in fact a Labor seat. Fiona Phillips is the elected member.

Go away with your facts. OK admit I was lazy and just assumed. Sorry

One of the locations is the a federal land reseve that was put aside for the nuclear reactor way back when.

I know, I know, and I’m sorry. I obviously forgot it was a Rumour network. All good mate. Im pretty sure that the ole Nuke site is out of bounds, probably out the front of that base though, May be what they recommended? That said, if the rain keeps up they could put it in Katoomba.

"Navy recomended sydney"

Some thing s never change - there was tremendous reluctance of in the RN to relocating to Scapa Flow from the Firth of Forth (Edinburgh) pre WW1 largely on social grounds

and of course the DNS/DE&S organisation designing warships was in Bath - very nice to live but about as far away from a major shipyard as it was possible to get.

Why would you not base them in Brisbane?
Less transit time to South China Sea.

Brisbane is very shallow for quite a way out and lots of obstructions. Hence the preference for the aforementioned locations.

As doors off said, it's shallow. Brisbane has the Great Barrier Reef. A sub base needs deep water off shore and a wide arc of travel. It looks like, built in Adelaide, a sub base near Perth and a sub base near Sydney. Sydney will fix manning issues.

I don’t think the Barrier Reef would affect operations out of Brisbane as it ends further North.

The advantage of a Brisbane base (compared to Sydney or Port Kembla) is that it would mean 4 additional days on station per operational deployment (saving 2 transit days each way).


With an election looming, they are leaking information about this bit by bit to stay in the headlines.

New East coast nuclear submarine base to be established

They are just trying to change the conversation about their woeful response to covid. Anything is better than nothing. Their campaign will be security, strong on china. (who sold them the Darwin port, that upset the yanks at the time?) Opposition will ruin Australia, fear works on voters.

Wonder why this post makes me think of a RAAF base near Newcastle.

Gne

Well there you go - there's a much more fundamental problem with basing the subs in Brisbane.
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-bay-australia
Note to Australian Government - deployment of jellyfish as a weapon of mass destruction may be a viable option!

Yeah the JELLY wobblies around Brissie can be a worry. Jervis Bay is a marine national park these days: jervis bay marine park map - Google Search

Meanwhile: Report to Congress on AUKUS Nuclear Cooperation 16 Mar 2022
https://news.usni.org/2022/03/16/rep...ar-cooperation

CRS PDF: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documen...ch-11-2022.pdf (0.2Mb)

Despite a lot of “experts” saying that it is unlikely for the nuclear powered submarines to be built in Australia, the Federal Government seems determined and is pushing ahead with significant expansion of ASC Submarine construction infrastructure. They have just secured a very large parcel of land (45 hectares) adjacent to ASC North to facilitate this expansion.

Sky News interview with Simon Birmingham


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Land leased for ASC expansion


Defence Connect article about the land acquisition

On Friday April 1st (today) :
"Is it true that australian taxpayers will have to pay 5,5 billions australian dollars for non-existent submarines ? " asked Senator Penny Wong (opposition leader) at Canberra.
"It will be something like that" did answer Defense Secretary Tony Dalton

Sort of cancellation fees.

Election time play on words by Wong. 5.5B is what has been expended so far up to contract cancellation. Many media outlets have taken this to be that we are paying 5.5B is to severe the contract which is incorrect. The actual cancellation costs would be a fraction of this amount.

$5B is better than $12B++ for boats that are not what is needed/wanted and which you are stuck with till it is politically possible to replace them.

N

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Customer changing his mind after signing the deal = not the fault of the seller/manufacturer = cancellation fee. But they can do what they want with their taxpayers' money (they probably have too much of it)

" Leak Reveals First Details Of Australia’s New AUKUS Submarine "

(Naval news, April 1st)

Australians expecting that their Navy will get Virginia or Astute class nuclear submarines have had their hopes dashed. Documents reveal that the go-forward AUKUS design will be based on an enlarged Collins Class submarine. The new class of submarine will be almost as large as the French Barracuda design (or in other words…. smaller)