Originally Posted by Alt Flieger
(Post 11136955)
Agree.
Lesson ? Forget any military procurement deal with France for the foreseeable future. |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11136969)
Honestly still surprised we haven't cancelled the open bases agreement with the french.
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"I havent heard much about is how the US and UK were convinced to hand over the Crown Jewels of submarine technology"
A great deal is secret of course but I'm pretty sure the Russians have access to most of it anyway - the real challenge is BUILDING the boats according to the spec....... |
Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
(Post 11137010)
If they make a base in Pt. Hedland, then please, carry on...:E
French warships and troops would be given guaranteed access to Australian naval bases and military sites under a proposal being discussed by both countries, as the federal government moves to lock in the next stage of its troubled $90 billion future submarine program next week. |
Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
(Post 11136946)
Looking at the French helicopters in Oz service, I can understand why we didn't want their submarines either.
Scomo is doing the right think for our country, tough luck for France that they are not getting our billion$. |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11136969)
Honestly still surprised we haven't cancelled the open bases agreement with the french.
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I suspect balboa is recceguy with another posting name.
Ignore him and he will just go away. Replying to his drivel just keeps giving him oxygen. |
The French will eventually need close alignment in the Pacific to counter China. Their EEZ's around their territories will at a convenient stage, be targeted by China. It's a pity Australia and France couldn't work through their differences: one wanted a submarine capability and the other a "relationship" with bottomless finance to provide shipyard jobs in Brittany.
BTW. Germany is looking to ditch their Tiger helicopters too. That's if they can get past the Franco-German politics and buy American. Or perhaps they'd prefer not to upset France and have 8 of 50 Tigers available at any time? |
Originally Posted by golder
(Post 11137894)
America may even follow Australia’s lead by fielding a similar Gulfstream-based replacement for their EC-130 Compass Call electronic warfare aircraft.
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Why should France need any bases in Australia ? France has territories in all oceans on earth, why do we need anything from you PS: you going to turn up at Pitch Black 2022? |
And France needs to maintain a presence in the Pacific exactly why ?
Fond memories of a long distant past ? Take away the Force de Frappe and France is only a middle power with no power projection capability. Why do they pretend they are are a tier 1 power ? What is the strategic justification? We should have gone with the Soryu class. The French contract was always a dumb idea. |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 11137977)
You need Australia so you have a refueling point to get to your Pacific territories, we see your military pass through whenever they are in transit.
PS: you going to turn up at Pitch Black 2022? |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11136969)
Honestly still surprised we haven't cancelled the open bases agreement with the french.
Even though France needs Australian bases, more than Australia needs France. Military to military alliances don't work like that and will be fine at the end of the day. These 2 clowns, playing for re-election early next year. Will sooner or later be out of office. I'll be surprised if Rafales weren't at Pitch Black next year. |
Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
(Post 11137918)
France had the largest Army in Europe at the start of WW2 and had months of the phoney War to prepare for the German invasion and still lost....
In respect to balboa1968, please do not scare him off. I haven't laughed so hard for a long time. I can not think of anything more funny than an arrogant ignoramus . The arrogance of a Frenchman (we are the best lovers, drinkers, smokers, fighters, viva la France) combined with the ignorance of an American (we won WW1, WW11, and have saved the world and continue to do so) is a comic combination that is unbeatable. |
"Take away the Force de Frappe and France is only a middle power with no power projection capability."
Could say much the same about one of the other AUSUS partners I guess - but the French would point out they actually own their missiles - they don't rent them by the hour |
lol
Say whatever you want about French loosing wars. Doesn't matter who helped or not along the way, fact is France is still called France, still French speaking with its French culture, food, etc... Grow some balls, stop complaining and just do like them: Have your own aviation, missile, boat, submarine industries so you can keep your "Independence" and choose whatever weird local options you want to add to your war toys. Oops... Sorry, you cannot! But you will still going to blame the French because it's fashionable :p |
We do like to have Tier 1 toys though, unlike France. We can also keep an aircraft in the air. After a French Google, your aircraft availability is in the 50% range. Even Russia does better than that. You guys still can't get an engine to work.
Haute intensité : L'aviation de combat française présente des fragilités qui peinent à se réduire - Zone Militaire “Taking into account the issues related to the engine and the level of operational support [NSO], the operational technical availability [DTO] of the Rafale [air and navy] reached 55.8% in the first half of 2021. The Mirage D availability, 32.4% |
The french ambassador addressed the national press club. Tried to watch it but after 20 minutes of whinning and lieing about the sub deal just turned it off
Kept going on about how france was giving australia "national secrets" about it nuclear subs. Also omitted they are submitting the same design to india P-75i, so giving them to india as well |
They were just designing the physical sub, The US were providing the 'secret' electronics and weapons.
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Originally Posted by golder
(Post 11138783)
They were just designing the physical sub, The US were providing the 'secret' electronics and weapons.
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