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vascodegama 25th Jul 2021 09:29

RLE

An interesting summary, do we know what the saving are /were in the disposal of the other 2 units?
My guess is that it does not meet the 200M.

bluetail 25th Jul 2021 18:12

Tansor Voyager is currently at EGQS, but didn't leave today for BZN as it has done on it previous two visits this month.

RetiredBA/BY 26th Jul 2021 08:54


Originally Posted by Stratnumberone (Post 11082506)
If only someone had told them that putting all the AT assets into a station with only one runway could cause problems. We are all culpable for not doing so.

I did, too.
On a GAPAN visit to Brize at the station commander’s briefing, I asked the question :
So, you have all the transport and tanker assets of the RAF at Brize, with just one runway. Now, what happens if a terrorist or three creep on to said runway and blow holes in it! Rendering it unuseable ?

We have a plan said SC , next question please !
I do hope the plan was/is cunning !

stewyb 26th Jul 2021 12:28

Just use Fairford when Brive is inactive, it’s large enough and under utilised!

Ken Scott 27th Jul 2021 18:58


The cost of the move (Project Hercules) was considerably south of £200M, a little adrift from your figure.
RLE: that was for phase 1, first 2 years only.

Relocating all the C130s to Brize was also not inexpensive...

bspatz 27th Jul 2021 20:12

Stewyb - Not if most of your assets are sat on the pan at Brize with a closed runway!

zetec2 28th Jul 2021 08:09

C130's been operating out of Kidlington (Oxford Kidlington) are the RAF going to start dispersing the fleet to get over the runway & logistics problems ?.

dead_pan 28th Jul 2021 09:16

Pinched from fightercontrol.co.uk:

Current Operating positions:
Updated 27/07/21

RAF Mildenhall:
Voyager ZZ331

Birmingham Airport
Voyager ZZ337

Gatwick Airport
Voyager ZZ333

Stansted Airport
Voyager ZZ335 currently on its way to RAF Akotiri.

RAF Fairford
C-130J ZH866
C-17A ZZ178
A-400M ZM412

Oxford Aiport
C-130J ZH872

PS Another Herc was operating from Little Rissington but I believe this is now the one operating from Fairford.

dead_pan 28th Jul 2021 09:20

Forgot to add - current NOTAM suggests runway won't be restored to its full operational length until.....22nd August. Cue more frothing!

pr00ne 28th Jul 2021 12:51

So, all dispersed, all operating, early use of CAS dispersal exercise, what's the problem?

sycamore 28th Jul 2021 13:07

Does`nt count,pr00ne,because they`re not `fast jets`.....

pr00ne 28th Jul 2021 13:11

sycamore,

Again, what's the problem?

Union Jack 28th Jul 2021 13:17


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11085207)
Just use Fairford when Brive is inactive, it’s large enough and under utilised!

What's 485 miles between friends......:D

Jack

pasta 28th Jul 2021 13:24


Originally Posted by zetec2 (Post 11086055)
C130's been operating out of Kidlington (Oxford Kidlington) are the RAF going to start dispersing the fleet to get over the runway & logistics problems ?.

If they're dropping meat bombs at Weston, Kindlington might make a lot of sense...

pr00ne 28th Jul 2021 13:26

zetec2

The RAF patently ARE dispersing the fleet to get over runway problems!


Ken Scott 28th Jul 2021 14:49


So, all dispersed, all operating, early use of CAS dispersal exercise, what's the problem?
pr00ne: the list was of 8 aircraft, there will be a few more at Brize not able to operate.

’What’s the problem?’ Well, the entire AT fleet is at a base which has only a single runway which couldn’t cope with a short spell of hot weather. Such hot spells are likely to be more common in the future thanks to the dreaded climate change. That some of the aircraft had to divert and are now operating out of nearby civil airports (who must be loving the fuel & parking charges) doesn’t mitigate the effect on operations. Sounds like a problem to me.

DaveUnwin 28th Jul 2021 15:06

This reads like a script for 'Yes Minister'. You can just see Sir Humphrey extolling the virtues and cost-savings of putting all the aeroplanes on one base, Jim Hacker doing his best to make sense of it all when Bernard takes a phone call and relays the message to the minister. "Are you telling me Bernard, that none of those aircraft can take off, because the runway has melted?" "Yes, minister." (Cue the credits/end music).

Video Mixdown 28th Jul 2021 18:45


Originally Posted by Ken Scott (Post 11086272)
the list was of 8 aircraft, there will be a few more at Brize not able to operate.

Do you know that for a fact or did you just make it up? If you made it up, why?

Originally Posted by Ken Scott (Post 11086272)
That some of the aircraft had to divert and are now operating out of nearby civil airports doesn’t mitigate the effect on operations. Sounds like a problem to me.

Same question.

Ken Scott 28th Jul 2021 19:30

I used to be stationed at Brize, I know for a fact there are more than 8 ac based there...

Video Mixdown 28th Jul 2021 19:56


Originally Posted by Ken Scott (Post 11086380)
I used to be stationed at Brize, I know for a fact there are more than 8 ac based there...

But you know nothing about the current situation. So you made it up. Why?


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