A400 Atlas
Can anyone explain why the Air Bridge provided to Operation Barkhane in Mali is so poor? Night stop in GIB out and back! Schedules running days late. Landing slots unavailable in Brize! Have the serviceability problems we read about a while back been resolved?
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So. I'm guessing you are not an aircrew, or related, person?
Any more direct operational questions you might like to ask? You do know, don't you, that 'I Wonder..................'? isn't, honestly, actually, a question that anyone wants to answer? Try, 'The Beano, Biffo says' for an answer that might please you. Perhaps. Maybe. Who cares. |
Night stops could simply be down to crew hours, fuel etc.
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The stop in Gib might also be a "flag stop" to assert continued British sovereignty post-Brexit. As it's conveniently on the route, it would save mounting occasional exercises or detachments for the same purpose.
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Single runway Brize is busy, and needs slot allocations? Who would have thought it! I blame Lyneham, for closing.
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Nothing to do with the single runway MPN11, it’s most probably due to a lack of capacity with the Movers, being ‘MOGed’* was a regular occurrence when I was at Brize.
But not having Lyneham has definitely reduced the RAF’s AT capacity. Who’d have thought that in 2011? (* MOG = Movements on Ground) |
Fifty plus Hercules at Lyneham? Now, those WERE the days
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Originally Posted by Herod
(Post 11068857)
Fifty plus Hercules at Lyneham? Now, those WERE the days
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Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2
(Post 11068864)
Try sixty + airframes.
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Try sixty + airframes. |
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c6cc08271c.jpg
If you were further back then 4 or 5 then oxygen for the taxy and take off was essential |
Herod
66 were purchased. I believe one of the first ( XV 177 or was it 178? ) went to Boscombe and stayed there for years. By the time I left at my 8year option in late '73, one had been lost at Fairford in '69, another at Pisa in '71 and IIRC one was written off on landing at Tromso, '72 ?. I guess it was another 20 years before the next loss. Snoopy ,208, had originally been one of the 12 at Changi with 48Sqn ( 198-209 ) and conversion commenced in 72/3. |
XV178 was the one at Boscombe Down. XV180 was the one lost at Fairford, and (IIRC) XV216 was the one lost at Pisa. Tis airframe was extant on the dump there for many years afterwards.
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LOST HERCULES
Originally Posted by Brian 48nav
(Post 11069059)
Herod
66 were purchased. I believe one of the first ( XV 177 or was it 178? ) went to Boscombe and stayed there for years. By the time I left at my 8year option in late '73, one had been lost at Fairford in '69, another at Pisa in '71 and IIRC one was written off on landing at Tromso, '72 ?. I guess it was another 20 years before the next loss. Snoopy ,208, had originally been one of the 12 at Changi with 48Sqn ( 198-209 ) and conversion commenced in 72/3. Arron. |
When I got to Lyneham there were 61 airframes. Four had been lost: Fairford (XV180), Pisa (XV216), Tromsø (XV194), and Colerne (XV198).
Snoopy (XV208) was at Farnborough. |
AARON Yes you're right! I'd forgotten the Colerne one - pretty sure it was September '73, the day I was having my final medical at Lyneham. The skipper was Tony Barrett a Flt Cdr on 48, who had been on 30 before an exchange tour with the Yanks I think.
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Luftwaffe A400M entire sortie cockpit video - including AAR of Tornado..
RAF A400M operators may be interested to compare cockpit procedures. |
Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2
(Post 11069194)
When I got to Lyneham there were 61 airframes. Four had been lost: Fairford (XV180), Pisa (XV216), Tromsø (XV194), and Colerne (XV198).
Snoopy (XV208) was at Farnborough. |
So the original posters enquiry about the Barkane Airbridge has been lost in a sea of nostalgia about Lyneham, which closed several years ago.
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I love that a on thread called A400 Atlas most of the posts are about Hercules!
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In 20-30 years the board will be filled with people reminiscing about what a fabulous aircraft the A400 was, why we MUST restart production and how Brize was the greatest airfield in the world......................
Hell - there are people posting on Pprune about bringing back the Hunter................ |
Great pic. What was the reason for so many Far East Hercs being at Lyneham at the same time (I presume they are, as looks more like a cold UK summer than the steaming tropics)?
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11200121)
In 20-30 years the board will be filled with people reminiscing about what a fabulous aircraft the A400 was, why we MUST restart production and how Brize was the greatest airfield in the world......................
Hell - there are people posting on Pprune about bringing back the Hunter................ |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11200121)
Hell - there are people posting on Pprune about bringing back the Hunter................
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In 20-30 years the board will be filled with people reminiscing about what a fabulous aircraft the A400 was, why we MUST restart production and how Brize was the greatest airfield in the world...................... |
I wonder how many people claiming that the Hunter would be a good fighter for today have ever flown one?
It was lovely to fly, but would need huge modifications in weapons and avionics to bring it even close to being useful today. Those HHA chaps are lucky to have the T.72 though, as it has the 200-ser engine which our T7 / T8s didn't. And now back to the A400M thread. |
Spotter mode engaged:
The dark earth, mid-stone and black finish was the original colour scheme for RAF transport aircraft delivered in the 1960's. They started to change colour to green, gray and light grey in the early 1970's. Perhaps that would help to date the picture? Disengage spotter mode, get anorak dry cleaned. |
Originally Posted by bobward
(Post 11200270)
The dark earth, mid-stone and black finish was the original colour scheme for RAF transport aircraft delivered in the 1960's.
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I love that a on thread called A400 Atlas most of the posts are about Hercules! |
personally I prefer the C-47
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personally I prefer the C-47 |
Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09
(Post 11199809)
Luftwaffe A400M entire sortie cockpit video - including AAR of Tornado..
RAF A400M operators may be interested to compare cockpit procedures. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5GoJ_ecMQs I notice vapour trailing from the top of the fins at some points while they're hooked up. Is that fuel related, or normal? |
Fuel venting. Probably indicates tanks full.
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Good news
“The RAF’s Atlas has successfully completed its first ‘mass parachuting sorties’ over Salisbury Plain. Troops from @16AirAssltBCT conducted low-level jumps, a vital skill for the UK’s Global response force.”
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And the aircraft has only been in service for 8 years…!
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Yes. By test pilots. The aircraft has been able to do it for yonks as we have watched the Europeans doing it. How many years until a frontline crew is able to do it and be competent enough to be trusted to do it operationally or even on a big exercise? Come to think of it how many frontline crews (not instructors) are dropping stores or high-altitude parachutists since those “capabilities” were announced? (Zero?)
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"How many years until a frontline crew is able to do it and be competent enough to be trusted to do it operationally "
Not until the Test pilots et all have something else to test - if they sign off now they're asking to be cut.............. |
Originally Posted by BEagle
(Post 11200154)
I wonder how many people claiming that the Hunter would be a good fighter for today have ever flown one?
It was lovely to fly, but would need huge modifications in weapons and avionics to bring it even close to being useful today. Those HHA chaps are lucky to have the T.72 though, as it has the 200-ser engine which our T7 / T8s didn't. And now back to the A400M thread. But then I only had one flight in each type so I'm probably talking b0ll0cks. |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11293360)
Not until the Test pilots et all have something else to test - if they sign off now they're asking to be cut..............
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11293360)
"How many years until a frontline crew is able to do it and be competent enough to be trusted to do it operationally "
Not until the Test pilots et all have something else to test - if they sign off now they're asking to be cut.............. Too true, in my particular area I recall a particular civvy standards team of around six. Back in the 70/80’s everybody got through their annual station visit which was a pretty rushed affair. As the RAF contracted the visits got longer and more complicated. After the pull back from RAFG and cutbacks stations started failing for the smallest thing requiring return visits which was becoming the norm. |
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