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Regarding the armour being Ukrainian, the BBC was reporting earlier that streetfighting in a suburb of Kyiv was between Ukrainian forces and Russian 'saboteurs' who had infiltrated in captured Ukrainian armoured vehicles.
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Gotta laugh. There's a Russian oil tanker filling up at Sullom Voe...
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Refugees starting to arrive in Poland and Romania….
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Wreckage from last nights shooting down over Kyiv. SU-25?
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Now being reported as Moldovan flagged, not Romanian - but the second ship under fire in 2 days (the other was Turkish out of Odessa)
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Romania intercepts Ukrainian Su-27 On Thursday 24 February 2022 around 06:15 hrs LT two Fortele Aeriene ale Romanei (FAR, Romanian Air Force) F-16 Fighting Falcons took off to clarify an air situation regarding an unauthorised flight in the northern part of Romania, which was approaching the Romanian airspace. When the unknown aircraft was in Romanian airspace it was visually identified as a Ukrainian Air Force (VVS UKraine) Sukhoi Su-27. The F-16s escorted the fighter for immediate landing at Baza 95 Aeriana, Bacau in northern Romania around 07:05 hrs LT. After landing the Ukrainian military pilot turned himself in to the Romanian authorities and the legal measures required in these situations will be taken. Romania strictly applied the national procedures and international rules applicable in such situations, proceeding to the interception and visual identification of the aircraft that entered the Romanian airspace. According to a communiqué of the MoD: “The leadership of the Ministry of National Defense has taken all the necessary reaction measures, both those that belong directly to the institution and those of support for the other components of the national security system, according tot he insterinstitutional cooperation plans, elaborated in time”. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....41281efd4d.jpg https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-the-ukrainian-air-force-sukhoi-su-27-flanker-that-landed-in-romania-after-having-been-intercepted-by-romanian-air-force-f-16-fighting-falcon-fighter-jets/ |
https://news.am/eng/news/688630.html
Russia acknowledges that Volodymyr Zelenskyy is the president of Ukraine, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Friday, TASS reported. "Yes, of course, Zelenskyy is the president of Ukraine," the Kremlin spokesman said in response to a related question. Peskov refused to say again what Moscow expects from the Ukrainian leader. |
Looks like the Russians will have a street by street urban warfare fight on their hands for Kyiv…
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From the Independent
Ukraine says 1,000 Russian troops killed todayUkraine’s defence ministry has said that 1,000 Russian troops were killed today as Putin’s troops moved deeper into the capital.“Russia has not suffered such a large number of casualties during this period of hostilities in the entire period of its existence in any of the armed conflicts it has started,” the defence ministry added in a statement on Twitter. 🇺🇦Ukraine’s military: Russia has sustained nearly 1,000 fatalities today. Yesterday, between 400 and 800 more. https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11190148)
Looks like the Russians will have a street by street urban warfare fight on their hands for Kyiv…
https://twitter.com/iaponomarenko/st...869894144?s=21 |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11190128)
Wreckage from last nights shooting down over Kyiv. SU-25?
https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1...989456406?s=21 Su-27. But was it Russian or Ukrainian? |
Disappointing to see that one Ukrainian pilot bailing out to Romania and taking so much capable kit with him when so many others are laying down their lives.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2023212.html
Russian president Vladimir Putin told his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping in a call on Friday that Russia is willing to hold high-level talks with Ukraine, Chinese state television CCTVreported. “The United States and Nato have long ignored Russia's reasonable security concerns, repeatedly reneged on their commitments, and continued to advance military deployment eastward, challenging Russia's strategic bottom line,” Mr Putin told Mr Xi. “Russia is willing to conduct high-level negotiations with Ukraine.” It comes as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine continues with Mr Putin’s troops advancing into Kyiv. |
Originally Posted by Fonsini
(Post 11190154)
Disappointing to see that one Ukrainian pilot bailing out to Romania and taking so much capable kit with him when so many others are laying down their lives.
As we explained yesterday, since Moscow identified Ukrainian military airfields and aircraft on the ground as primary targets for its air strikes we assumed that the Su-27 pilot had to land in Romania because he probably had nowhere else to land. A claim confirmed also by Intelsky on Twitter, that said: ‘Russia has destroyed 11 Ukrainian airfields and a naval base thus far, claimed Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov. ‘That’s explain why Ukrainian Su-27 fighter aircraft lands in a Romanian airbase.’ |
A Frenchman cycles down a country road when a German Soldier steps out from the bushes, stands in front of the Frenchman, points his rifle and commands "Halt!". The Frenchman comes to a stop before the German and asks "Do you fear me German?". The German quite surprised and a little annoyed replies "No, of course not." The Frenchman replies "Give me the rifle, you'll see". Hatred by the population you are trying to subdue (of you the enemy) is a powerful thing especially when right is on your side. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11190128)
Wreckage from last nights shooting down over Kyiv. SU-25?
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https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko
It is now confirmed — Ukrainian military has delivered a strike on a Russian airfield in Millerovo, Rostov Oblast A number of enemy aircraft have been destroyed. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11190128)
Wreckage from last nights shooting down over Kyiv. SU-25?
https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1...989456406?s=21 From the patches of blue I can see, I think it's Ukrainian. I note the ejector seat is not present. Either an ejection or rocket motor ignited by flames. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11190078)
I must admit I feel ashamed to be British today, I feel the US and UK have sold the Ukraine down the river having promised to come to their aid in return for them giving up their Nuclear weapons. :(
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OK, if we take above statement that armour entering Kiyv is Ukrainian, who rammed that car? One of those captured vehicles as reported by BBC? I notice there are no markings on that Strela.
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2x AN-26 and 2x AN-32 (UKR) currently heading west over Poland. All in trail. Time now just east of Radom.
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Originally Posted by garyscott
(Post 11190178)
2x AN-26 and 2x AN-32 (UKR) currently heading west over Poland. All in trail. Time now just east of Radom.
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I did hope they would have attempted to put some form of peace keeping into the Country, instead all the west seem to be able to do is light up a few poxy buildings with blue and yellow while standing back and watching a Country and its people get destroyed.. AND I do not think he will stop there.
Nato no possibly not, but as Signatures on the disarmament agreement, individual Countries possibly yes, boots on the ground as peace keepers do not have to be involved in fighting, but they would have been a better deterrent than a bunch of half arsed sanctions that keep getting kicked down the road. Swift still hasn't been cut off from Russia, their passport holders should have been banned from the west as well as visas cancelled. the only way they would have been effective is if the lot was dumped on them the minute he recognised the two "states". Why on earth will any other Country in the world ever agree to give up their Nuclear weapons in the future on vague not kept promises, North Korea included. And yes, I still feel ashamed of our Country. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11190156)
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11190182)
I did hope they would have attempted to put some form of peace keeping into the Country, instead all the west seem to be able to do is light up a few poxy buildings with blue and yellow while standing back and watching a Country and its people get destroyed.. AND I do not think he will stop there.
Nato no possibly not, but as Signatures on the disarmament agreement, individual Countries possibly yes, boots on the ground as peace keepers do not have to be involved in fighting, but they would have been a better deterrent than a bunch of half arsed sanctions that keep getting kicked down the road. Swift still hasn't been cut off from Russia, their passport holders should have been banned from the west as well as visas cancelled. the only way they would have been effective is if the lot was dumped on them the minute he recognised the two "states". Why on earth will any other Country in the world ever agree to give up their Nuclear weapons in the future on vague not kept promises, North Korea included. And yes, I still feel ashamed of our Country. |
So every time Russia invades another country, which he will, should the UK should just roll over and acquiesce to their demands?
Before you know it, they will be goose stepping up the Mall. IG . |
Here's how to checkmate Putin - chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL
Here's how to checkmate Putin - chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov (msn.com)
Widely considered history’s all-time greatest chess player, Garry Kasparov, who is a veteran expert on the psyche of Russian President Vladimir Putin, delivered on Thursday a series of messages detailing how to isolate and ultimately defeat Putin on Twitter. Kasparov's commentary comes in response to Putin's military invasion of Ukraine. Kasparov wrote: “Since I answered so many of the questions I'm getting today on Putin and Ukraine, and more, in my book Winter Is Coming, I'm pinning it. I hoped it would be history by now, but thanks to Putin and free world apathy, it's still a current event. "Support Ukraine militarily, immediately, everything but boots on the ground. All weapons, intel, cyber. Bankrupt Putin's war machine. Freeze & seize Russia's finances & those of him and his gang. Kick Russia out of every intl & financial institution. PACE, Interpol, etc.," he continued. He added that the international community should “Recall all ambassadors from Russia. There is no point in talking. The new unified message is ‘stop or be isolated completely.’ -Ban all elements of Putin's global propaganda machine. Turn them off, shut them down, send them home. Stop helping the dictator spread lies & hate.” Kasparov wrote further that there is a need to “Expose and act against Putin's lackeys in the free world. If [Gerhard] Schröder and his ilk continue to work for Putin, bring charges. Ask the owners & advertisers of networks platforming Putin propagandists like [Tucker] Carlson why they allow it.” Lastly, he wrote that the global community must “Russian oil & gas. Pressure OPEC, increase production, reopen Keystone. You can't save the planet if you don't save the people on it. -Acknowledge there will be costs, sacrifices. We waited too long, the price is high, but it will only get higher. It's time to fight.” He tweeted the five messages to his over-699,600 followers on Twitter. The tweets went viral straight away. Kasparov also wrote: “Since I answered so many of the questions I'm getting today on Putin and Ukraine, and more, in my book Winter Is Coming, I'm pinning it. I hoped it would be history by now, but thanks to Putin and free world apathy, it's still current events.” The chess Grandmaster authored “Winter Is Coming: Why Vladimir Putin and the Enemies of the Free World Must Be Stopped” in 2015, a year after Putin illegally seized Crimea from Ukraine. Kasparov said on Wednesday that "Putin's invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea in 2014 ended any reasonable doubts as to his nature and threat. Any attempts to negotiate with Putin since then were corruption, cowardice, and cynicism. He should have been isolated instantly. Instead, here we are." Kasparov, a Russian dissident and human rights advocate, has been one of the lone voices warning Western leaders over the decades not to appease Putin. He said on Thursday that "Western leaders rarely listened to Russian opposition leaders, and rarely acted when they did listen to us. Is it too much to ask for them to listen to Ukrainian leaders now?." When asked by one person on Twitter if Russians will revolt against Putin, Kasparov answered: "There is always a chance. Dictatorships are hard but brittle. If the blitzkrieg fails and Putin is faced with too many casualties to hide and more information gets through, the 1000s protesting today could become a million. But after 21 years it is hard. "I wonder what the American tech giants could do to help get the truth to the Russian people. Most get news from state TV, unfortunately, but Apple, Facebook, Google, and the rest still have considerable reach. But courage, usually none." The chess grandmaster took Germany to task for its alleged appeasement of Putin: "Germany still refusing to send weapons to Ukraine after funding Putin's war machine for years, or even to remove Russia from SWIFT. Neutrality between good and evil sides with evil, always." |
Originally Posted by Imagegear
(Post 11190208)
So every time Russia invades another country, which he will, should the UK should just roll over and acquiesce to their demands?
Before you know it, they will be goose stepping up the Mall. IG Have you ever heard of a thing called NATO, and Article 5? |
Seems the mayor of Kherson city made a deal with rus forces. Free passage to other cities further up the road. ( but do not shoot me)
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To put peace keepers into a country is noble . But there has to be a desire for peace on both sides . Eight years of ignoring a peace agreement and breaking ceasefire agreements . It will not be easy to bring peace to a region filled with heavily armed gangsters .
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
(Post 11190200)
Are you insane? You seriously want the UK, as part of NATO, to attack the Russians? A nuclear armed state with a President who has made it very clear that he will use nuclear weapons against any intervention? I have no qualms about you feeling ashamed, that's your beef, but the UK has no need to feel ANY shame in the present circumstances.
I did hope they would have attempted to put some form of peace keeping into the Country, instead all the west seem to be able to do is light up a few poxy buildings with blue and yellow while standing back and watching a Country and its people get destroyed.. AND I do not think he will stop there. Nato no possibly not, but as Signatures on the disarmament agreement, individual Countries possibly yes, boots on the ground as peace keepers do not have to be involved in fighting, but they would have been a better deterrent than a bunch of half arsed sanctions that keep getting kicked down the road |
Trying hard to stay out of this, but surely those who are howling for NATO intervention are failing to think things through !
There would be no "Marching up the Mall" because there would very likely be no Mall to march up ! Not in any way condoning Russian activities, just aware that NATO intervention would surely end in tears ! Other solutions must be explored long before NATO intervention ! If there are going to be "sanctions" then those who are responsible and able to apply them should ruddy well start walking the walk ! Same old Crap from the Pollies :-( El Grifo |
To put peace keepers into a country is noble . But there has to be a desire for peace on both sides . Eight years of ignoring a peace agreement and breaking ceasefire agreements . It will not be easy to bring peace to a region filled with heavily armed gangsters . |
Originally Posted by pr00ne
(Post 11190218)
Utter utter nonsense!
Have you ever heard of a thing called NATO, and Article 5? When it comes to sanctions, Western Leaders are not prepared to unleash everything - they are still holding something in reserve'. Biden said he will 'consider sanctioning Putin himself if he escalates further'. My God, what does Putin have to do - invading a sovreign, democratic and peaceful country is not enough? I am truly ashamed to be British. It is clear that the West are terrified of upsetting Putin and frightened of him. If Putin decides to invade Poland next, and says very clearly that he will use Nukes to annihilate any nation that gets in his way (as he has effectively said, albeit very thinly veiled, over Unkraine), do you honestly believe Article 5 will stand resolute and strong? I do not believe it will. When the UK are faced with the prospect of London, Birmingham, Manchester etc being wiped off the face of the planet, with tens of millions of deaths, as a price for defending a country where probably 99% of Brits have never been and which many could not locate on a map, do you really think Article 5 will hold? These nations are frightened to apply full sanctions and you think they will risk being Nuked to help a distant neighbour? I admire your faith, but the facts tell me otherwise. Putin now rightly sees the West and weak and cowardly. He can take whatever he wants, whilst holding the world to nuclear ransom, and he knows it. The West will cave in, and Putin will absolutely not stop at Ukraine. He can smell the weakness and fear. |
If Putin stops at Ukraine, the West will do nothing..if he crosses into the Baltic states, or Poland, then all bets are off...
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11190141)
Now being reported as Moldovan flagged, not Romanian - but the second ship under fire in 2 days (the other was Turkish out of Odessa)
https://twitter.com/alexkokcharov/st...557457925?s=21 JAS |
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