Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11365425)
It does however screw the German arms industry over re exports of their equipment, who the heck is going to buy arms from them in the future knowing their hands are tied as to what they can and cannot do with them...
And to quote Uncle Albert "During the War" Germany, had no qualms about using and supplying French or Czech armour to their allies without the permission of the relevant Governments in exile ;) |
I wonder who the SPG-9 seen at the end belongs too? similar in use i suppose to the old UK Mobat and Wombat.
By 2019 Russian Army still used this weapon. Recently Ukraine planned to restart production of this weapon. |
I just wonder what happened to the original M1 and M1IP Abrams tanks, with different canon it is of little value or possibly even liability for US forces but Ukrainians could utilise them well. They are still superior to any variant of T-90, aren't they?
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Originally Posted by t43562
(Post 11365486)
Don't other countries do this ? I would have thought it was useful from the point of view of stopping your technology from ending up in China.
Not that we would, but In theory could the UK veto the USA in providing Ukraine with the M777 Atillery to Ukraine as they are British designed weapons? or could Germany veto the US providing Abrams M1A1 as it had the 120mm smoothbore cannon by Rheinmettal |
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In recent months, russia has involved tens of thousands of convicts in its military operation in Ukraine. As it turns out, there is absolutely no difference between convicted russian criminals and yet to be convicted russian war criminals. |
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Europe needs to get stuck in and do everything it can to assure Ukraine not only wins but liberates all of it's territories, because if it doesn't and ukraine falls all that Russian /Ukraine/ Belarusian firepower is coming Germany and Poland's way. Don't think for a minute that it won't and where will NATO be, not in Europe, don't be counting on any help from the US or Canada should that happen, why would they it's not their back yard. It will be seen as "you have made your decision" You have to be in Ukraine by March, if not Europe as we know it is gone.
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Western countries are so worried about sending tanks to Ukraine, they’re arguing about what is and isn’t a “tank.” We offer our humble suggestion… The Abrams M1A2 Sports Utility Vehicle |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11365523)
Why are we wasting time with this guy? I have a feeling this war is going to drag on for years due to the Wests indecision. I predict stalemate, tiring attrition for Ukraine and boredom from the Wests political leaders. A very dangerous situation. |
Originally Posted by uxb99
(Post 11365537)
I predict stalemate, tiring attrition for Ukraine and boredom from the Wests political leaders.
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Open Sesame????
https://www-zdf-de.translate.goog/na..._x_tr_pto=wapp BREAKING: Germany is open to letting Poland transfer Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. Asked about it, German Vice-Chancellor Habeck said Berlin “should not stand in the way when other countries make decisions to support Ukraine” (…) "irrespective of what decisions Germany makes" |
Who said you get bad news on friday the 13th, I just hope these figures are accurate.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cf2f11175f.png |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11365497)
I get that, but fast forward say 20 years and another situation like Ukraine happens, would the UK be able to provide Challenger 3 to the country being a British built tank but with it having a Rheinmetall’s latest generation L55A1 120mm smoothbore gun. Does that mean that Germany could veto it and the sales, say Saudi wanted to buy them now etc?
Not that we would, but In theory could the UK veto the USA in providing Ukraine with the M777 Atillery to Ukraine as they are British designed weapons? or could Germany veto the US providing Abrams M1A1 as it had the 120mm smoothbore cannon by Rheinmettal |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11365553)
Open Sesame????
His statement will however serve to put more pressure on Scholz, which combined with Polish, Finnish and British expressions of intent, may push him over the edge. It may need an actual British commitment to deliver to make him move, and I wouldn't be certain about that either. |
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Major explosion in a gas pipeline in Lithuania supplying Latvia. Fireball over 160ft high and area being evacuated.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11365689)
Major explosion in a gas pipeline in Lithuania supplying Latvia. Fireball over 160ft high and area being evacuated.
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Lambrecht to reportedly resign as German defense minister:
"Christine Lambrecht has decided to step down from the position of Germany's defense minister, Bild reported on Friday, citing people familiar with the matter. According to the report, the government is already discussing who could replace her but a final decision on a successor is yet to be made. Earlier this week, a poll conducted by the Institute for New Social Answers (INSA) showed that 64% of German respondents wanted the minister to resign, while only 9% described her performance in the role as positive. Lambrecht recently came under fire over allegedly mishandling defense policies, as well as a New Year's message in which she stated the war in Ukraine led to "a lot of special experiences." |
Originally Posted by Andy_S
(Post 11365552)
Which probably, considering the failure to conquer Ukraine quickly, is Putin's best hope of getting something out of this.
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Interesting article regarding the abilities and vulnerabilities of the Russian tanks:
Armor: Building A Better Defective Tank (strategypage.com) While the official most modern Russian tank is the T-90M, it is not the tank Russian crews prefer. The favorite is the T-72B3, which is as effective as the T-90 and lacks a lot of the additional features on the T-90 that don’t work, complicate operation of the tanks and the crews must maintain. The T-90 is for export customers and no Russian troops use the T-90 in peacetime. |
She was the minister who gleefully announced 5000 helmets to Ukraine after they announced sending in 200000 troops, she also admitted months into the job she didn’t understand the ranks of the German Army, not once but twice, she was a liability, resigning is the most competent military decision she has ever made.
Germany to make decision on Leopards next week |
Another sad by-product of the war? What with those in the Dnipro killed by shelling it’s a natural disaster in the making.
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https://kyivindependent.com/investig...ips-misconduct
Suicide missions, abuse, physical threats: International Legion fighters speak out against leadership’s misconduct |
Putin and Proghosin (Wagner) holding a meeting in St Petersburg.
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Russians not learning the lesson on not concentrating troops….
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11365978)
Suicide missions, abuse, physical threats: International Legion fighters speak out against leadership’s misconduct
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent
(Post 11365999)
Careful, dated Aug last year. Apparently solved around that time, the unscrupulous criminals who seized / develop that legion for themselves already disposed of.
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Belarus is creating its own version of the Wagner mercenary group, according to a report from Deutsche Welle's Russian service.
A private security company called GardServis is said to be increasing its workforce and training to participate in hostilities. |
GMLRS vs 20 russians (**edit** orac posted the same but different video)
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...ewhere_on_the/ Also various news reports are saying Rishi is going to announce 12 challenger 2 for Ukraine. 4 for immediate delivery and 8 later |
Tartiflette,
Issues ongoing as of the end of November. An investigation reportedly under way - but no subsequent action taken I can find. https://kyivindependent.com/investig...sappropriation |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11366057)
Belarus is creating its own version of the Wagner mercenary group
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It is now confirmed, UK will send Challenger 2's to Ukraine
Hopwfully this'll lead to Germany releasing the Leopards. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64274755 |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11366136)
It is now confirmed, UK will send Challenger 2's to Ukraine
Hopefully this'll lead to Germany releasing the Leopards. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64274755 EDIT: One does , of course, have to expect a Russian announcement some time next week that they have destroyed all of the Challengers. |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11366136)
It is now confirmed, UK will send Challenger 2's to Ukraine
Hopwfully this'll lead to Germany releasing the Leopards. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64274755 |
12 is a magical number which can be divided in useful ways.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11366057)
Belarus is creating its own version of the Wagner mercenary group, according to a report from Deutsche Welle's Russian service.
A private security company called GardServis is said to be increasing its workforce and training to participate in hostilities. |
Originally Posted by N707ZS
(Post 11366149)
Thought our tanks were obsolete and needed upgrade or replacement, could this be embarrassing.
it’s on par with the Abrams and Leo. In fact if you watch a lot of US progs like walking dead they use a Chally as an Abrams. ;) |
Another wave of missiles inbound to the cities….
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