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Originally Posted by Ken Scott
(Post 11192667)
Definition of an accountant: someone who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11319342)
Try my #79 from this morning :ok: |
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nothing seen, nutty..?
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Sycamore. One way round this is to select "quote", then go to "copy link address". Open a new tab. "paste and go to". Works. It's what I use to follow the Twitter links on the Ukraine site.
It looks like just what we need. maybe the RAF should buy some. |
I have added it in quotes, I didn't realise we had the same problem with Utube, my apologies.. The RAF made a Herc sales film.
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"maybe the RAF should buy some"
With what ? the likelihood is more cuts not more money |
I've just - well, half an hour ago - had an email notification that David Thompson has replied to this thread. But his reply has not materialised, which makes me think it has been binned by someone frightfully important.
Just in case it's merely a cockup, here's what he offered - a succinct summing of the situation so far from the Dutch Aviation Society Scramble online mag. https://www.scramble.nl/military-new...fleet-for-sale Can't see why we shouldn't see this - anyone? airsound |
Can't see why it might be canned - it just tells us what we pretty much know anyway - maybe the mods don't like embedded links tho' they've become hard to see recently on and some posts (check some of ORAC's for example) appear totally blank - but if you hit "Quote" the embedded link appears
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Originally Posted by airsound
(Post 11319932)
I've just - well, half an hour ago - had an email notification that David Thompson has replied to this thread. But his reply has not materialised, which makes me think it has been binned by someone frightfully important.
Originally Posted by airsound
(Post 11319932)
Thank you for following up, in case others find that article to be of interest. T28B |
OK, thanks T28B!
Although the piece didn't tell us much that was new, it did tell it in a succinct way - and I also thought it was of interest that it came from a Dutch site. airsound |
https://t.co/011Xzbctoy
Final RAF C-130J mission set for 17 June 2023 as Hercules retirement nears 17-04-2023 The UK’s long history as an operator of the Lockheed Martin C-130 Hercules will all but come to an end on 17 June 2023 when the Royal Air Force (RAF) performs its final mission with the type. Consisting of a three-ship fly-past as part of the King’s Birthday celebrations, the sortie will be a bittersweet moment ahead of the official retirement of the RAF’s remaining J-model aircraft on 30 June 2023. Defence officials announced in 2021’s Integrated Review that the 15-strong C-130J fleet would be retired by 2023 due to cost savings, with operations transitioning to the Airbus Defence & Space A400M. That date was subsequently extended until end-June due to availability issues with the European type. Group Captain Gareth Burdett, Commander Air Wing – Air Mobility, says just six Hercules remain in RAF service. Those already withdrawn from use have been relocated to Marshall Aerospace in Cambridge where they are being prepared for sale. Although concerns had been raised at the A400M’s ability to take on all the missions performed by the smaller C-130J, Burdett says the Atlas has risen to the challenge. “There will be some capability gaps in very niche areas, https://scramble.nl/forum/images/smi...n_confused.gif all of the capability improvements have been significantly accelerated https://scramble.nl/forum/images/smi...n_rolleyes.gif since the decision to sunset the Hercules was taken. “Many have been brought forward by a number of years and the most critical capabilities have had the gap eradicated.” He cites the A400M’s better range and payload over the C-130J, and its short-runway performance, as key attributes for end-users. “What our customers are saying is that they appreciate the benefits and enhancements the A400M can bring over the C-130 in almost every regard that enables them to deliver their mission more effectively,” he says. Reliability and availability have been a concern for all users of the A400M, with the type’s Europrop TP400 engines posing a particular issue. Burdett says the situation has improved thanks to joint efforts by Airbus Defence & Space and the Ministry of Defence, adding: “While we are yet to see the full benefit that their brochure promised, certainly we are seeing a stable and useable amount of aircraft that reflects the availability we’d expect from other [transport aircraft] fleets.” The RAF as operates 21 A400Ms; a 22nd and final example will be delivered by the end of the month, adds Burdett. The UK has been a C-130 operator since the mid-1960s, taking delivery of its latest J-model examples from 1999. |
A sad but inevitable day, the RAF may regret losing the J in the longer term at a time when the French & Germans have acquired them to supplement their A400M fleets. The latter is a good aircraft but availability and reliability are questionable, particularly where tactical missions are concerned. Even if A400M is able to step up to the mark it still represents a considerable loss of aircraft and a reduction in the potential effort the AT force is able to project.
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Is there any role that hasn't seen a "considerable loss of aircraft"?
I guess if you buy the latest (and theoretically most capable) and don't increase the budget to match you finish up a lot less airframes. |
The RAF will use J Models to celebrate the King's Birthday.....now that folks is cost savings RAF style for. you!
Are there no A400's available for that tasking? |
Presumably one of the many
capability gaps in very niche areas |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11422309)
Is there any role that hasn't seen a "considerable loss of aircraft"?
I guess if you buy the latest (and theoretically most capable) and don't increase the budget to match you finish up a lot less airframes. |
Someone will be along to edit this list I presume.
https://military-history.fandom.com/...ules_operators |
"… they are 'twice as capable' as the C-130."
But not at the same place at the same time. One A400 ≠ Two C-130. |
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