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I can’t think of any official RAF badges that are sexist/ racist/ whatever (although there might be some rather dodgy student course ones), but this sort of aircraft artwork would probably be viewed unfavorably today. Is it still on the aircraft in a museum somewhere?

I see somebody looked ahead and made sure their badge was both safe - and protected. To quote one of the responses on that forum:

I should think most museums have a few, most of them done in good spirit, and with affection (if they are of ladies). The B17 at Duxford still has AFAIK, "Sally B" on one side, and "Memphis Belle" on the other. The Victor at Cosford has "Maid Marion". That's just two off the top of my head. We just have to hope this isn't coming over the pond.

Does Disney still do patches? They seem to be so much more classy and smart than most of these self designed "morale" velcros.

And why not?

The odd Museums do still have copied GW1 artwork on Jaguars and other Granby Jets. Victors as well. Last nose art seen on a flying RAF Aircraft was XX725 (Ex Granby Jag). Door is not with Jet now.

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Why?

There is no place for such sexist drivel in the 21st C. Especially given that we have had female aircrew for some 30 years!

Buster gonad was melted down after being polished and displayed in the museum in London.

Agree, but trying to cover history is ??????. What next. We do not report beheading's, people being burnt alive because there is no place for that type of behaviour in the 21st C even though it is happening? Aircraft art today should be reflective of what society finds acceptable (which I find amusing given societies sensibilities of the 1940’s where I think most of this art came from) with the possible exception of war time operations. If someone is going to fly their metal steed into action with the possibility of not returning than perhaps they have the right to be a bit racy. Otherwise we end up with the importance of wearing clean underwear so we are not embarrassed if we have an accident that has ripped a body limb off.

What UTTER drivel. You think it is acceptable to objectify women? I would suggest that says all I need to know about you.

What utter drivel of drivel that is utter of ahh, stdby I’ll get the Monty crowd to help with the script.

Couple of points my hurt friend. 1) I expressed my opinion. I did not attack you, which your thinly veiled post appears to do to me. By all means disagree with me. 2) Your target fixation is not commendable. There is a lot of aircraft art that has nothing to do with the opposite sex (lot’s comes to mind of “itler” receiving numerous bomb’s, rocket’s, boot’s etc to the rear end) but still can be considered racy. Or are you for banning all aircraft art forms?

objectify

express (something abstract) in a concrete form.

"good poetry objectifies feeling"

One of the meanings of objectify. Point being who determines what good poetry is? Same as I don’t know art but I know what I like. There is art that I find distasteful.

Last point. In case you missed it, I agreed with you. My point (oops another point) was that there is a lot of aircraft art that is part of history and that is racy. Trying to apply the social standards of today to yesterday is ludicrous. This brings up the discussion point of what is history? Ten, twenty, or thirty years ago?

So that's alright then is it? Because it was done in the past we should not criticise?

How you can compare nose art of bombs or whatever to the naked female form is beyond me.

As for 'hurt'? No, just sick and tired of idiots like you and your ilk with your overt sexism.

Perhaps if we hit the Chinese with some really hard sexism they might disband their cyber units, withdraw from the SCS, HKG, Antarctica, Western Pacific and stop trying to destroy Taiwan?

I would ask is it sexist as you infer and if so why? Yes there are female nose art, but then again there is also male, Mel drew, fighting Sam, saddam, Buster Gonad with his enormously large testicals certainly isn’t a female. There might not be as much but to infer it is sexist would infer there was none. We have had females flying military aircraft over 70 years incidentally.

NutLoose - because the majority of the GW1 'Nose Art' is either semi-naked females, or references to (as YOU well know). Trying to say it is the equivalent of 'Buster Gonads' is patently a false argument.

Oh and no we haven't had females flying in the RAF for 70 years BTW. ATA does not count.

It means slapping nose art on the side of an aircraft isn’t sexist as there are a lot of male nose art as well.

Bollocks is there and you know it.

"So that's alright then is it? Because it was done in the past we should not criticise?"

"Trying to apply the social standards of today to yesterday is ludicrous." You don't understand this point? By all means apply today's standards to today's art.

"How you can compare nose art of bombs or whatever to the naked female form is beyond me." I'll take a stab here. Because the nose art on whatever is often, not always, a female. And I have yet to see a "naked female form" displayed. They may have minuscule clothing but I have, you may have, not seen a totally naked female body as aircraft art.

As for 'hurt'? No, just sick and tired of idiots like you and your ilk with your overt sexism.

My dear chap, disagree with me by all means but do please display some modern societal standards and modicum of manners by addressing the opinion and not abusing the individual.

You have never seen an overtly female nose art or scantily dressed female nose art? Oh DO **** off you HYPOCRITE!

Oh and I am not your 'Dear Chap', kindly do not refer to me as such.

REPEATEDLY I have seen naked, or near naked renditions of females, as so called 'nose art'.

Guess what, 'CHAP', as a female RAF pilot I bloody resent that ****e.

To be honest, most of the so-called 'nose art' on RAF aircraft during Gulf War One hardly merited the term 'art'. Irrespective of the subject material, in general the drawings were pretty crude in nature.

The few USAF aircraft I saw with 'nose art' were of a much higher quality.

It doesn't excuse the ****e.

You have never seen an overtly female nose art or scantily dressed female nose art? Oh DO **** off you HYPOCRITE!

Do you actually read the post and take the time to decipher it before before you volatile temper takes over." And I have yet to see a "naked female form" displayed. They may have minuscule clothing but I have, you may have, not seen a totally naked female body as aircraft art." I don't see where it states I have not seen female nose art. I do state I have not seen female NAKED as in no clothes what so ever with all shown. If you think a bum or bit of fleshy pec is naked that's you ignorant right.

Oh and I am not your 'Dear Chap', kindly do not refer to me as such. Guess what you strive for equality? You call me an idiot and a hypocrite my dear chapette but obviously get your nose really out with chap, really.

I have endeavored to keep the discussion on opinions and not personal attacks. Your outrage would be far better presented as a logical argument. You do yourself a serious disservice which does not reflect well on my sisters in uniform.

ExAscoteer2 given some time to relax and come back when ready to refrain from personal attacks.

I think anyone who says “female pilots in the ATA don’t count as real RAF pilots” isn’t actually the female RAF pilot they claim to be.

An RAF pilot would have more class than to look down their nose at wartime ATA pilots

I’d get a chuckle if a female aircraft commander had a scantily clad beefcake painted on the side of her aircraft. Seems like equality to me.

Scantily clad women as nose art are interesting
I like it , you don’t ! Get over it . Btw you seem to have an anger management issue ? I trust you don’t fly anything too complicated .

The era of unearned white male privilege is over. Part of that means that symbols that overtly disrespects a segment of the serving uniformed members are no longer acceptable.

A lawful order has been given signed by the most senior members of the USAF.

Don’t like it ? Moan and drip on social media, fine it is your right under the first amendment, but if you are serving then support the chain of command or resign, simples....

Support the chain of command
 

A wonderful day to suggest that hypothesis when the commander in chief appears to be attempting to overthrow democracy and is banned from social media.

Calm down love, you are embarrassing yourself!

Agreed. I think that poster needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Or just ignore it if you are in the USAF and wait for senior desk-polishing staff to leave the base before wearing a banned patch. Normal people are sick of this pandering cultural vandalism.

Let's see what happens on 20th January.

There is a TIALD pod at Duxford with one of these ladies on. Its much smaller of course.

Anyone know what happened to Corky, who painted some of those? PM me.

The original letter refers not to aircraft insignia but badges, patches, mottoes, nicknames, coins and other forms of unit recognition (stickers?)

Some of the more crude nicknames, and name patches, have been mentioned on other threads - most which stick with people for their entire career, if not life. Not sure how to manage changing those.

We once had an USAF exchange officer who tried to persuade us to introduce a unit coin (the ones you have to produce on demand or pay a forfeit such as buy a round) - which met with much ridicule and apathy....

Early 70’s I recall seeing a KC-135 tanker with the forward fuselage painted to look like a giant can of Coors.

Had never heard of Coors beforehand.

Now who could take offence at that?

Anyone got a picture?