Originally Posted by Lilaccruiser
(Post 10814805)
That’s breathtakingly tacky. Is the “United Kingdom” really gold? Maybe it’s to match the taps in Bozza’s new long haul bathroom suite.
It does NOT look like a National Leader’s aircraft, it looks like thousands of other airliners. It lacks that long-disused word ... DIGNITY. |
SLXOwft
When we were a UK based company we had the misfortune to be on a number of British trade missions to far flung parts, with ministers and indeed PM,s, and I can honestly say I can not remember getting any significant business, or making any further contacts through being on them. Indeed given the behaviour of some delegates and members of govt in foreign parts it was better to distance yourself from the whole entourage, as they proved to be a significant embarrassment. Personally I have always done my own spade work to secure work world wide, and I would not need a Union Flag on a brightly coloured ex RAF 330 with the usual hangers onboard to do it. Similarly as now based in Germany, I do not expect to be flying round in Mrs Merkel,s tired old Grey 340 which does break down a bit I am told. However I am interested in EU grants and or loans which can be used to further our business world wide but I can access those through my keyboard,s ! Kind regards Mr Mac |
There is a significant fraction of this country who hate it with a vengeance, despise all the trappings of statehood and heritage, and would gladly see us run by some other foreign power than accede to the legitimate democratically expressed will of its people. These people hated Boris before he was born, in fact they hate the very idea of a Boris. They would prefer him to cycle to international conferences in sack cloth and ashes followed by a chariot full of Grauniad readers flailing him with chains and thorns.
Speaking for myself, I actually would like to see Her Majesty and the Prime Minister travelling to state occasions in an aircraft appropriately liveried in the flag of this country, affording them the dignity and respect which they deserve. The previous VIP aircraft from Northolt had a perfectly respectable design. |
I think the German Gov aircraft is now a shiny brand new A350😄
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Originally Posted by MAN777
(Post 10815384)
I think the German Gov aircraft is now a shiny brand new A350😄
Wiki offers numerous examples ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_tr...and_government |
Meanwhile in a sensible country in a sensible livery...
Originally Posted by MAN777
(Post 10815384)
I think the German Gov aircraft is now a shiny brand new A350😄
They are also to be used for Medevac and troop transport. They are also in the process of receiving 3 Bombadier Global 6000s for government use. (They have also ordered another 3 BG6000s as Sigint platforms having cancelled an order for 4 MQ-4C Tritons) First German government A350 arrives for outfitting in Hamburg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....04f68d489d.jpg Source: Airbus via FlightGlobal |
Originally Posted by Capt H Peacock
(Post 10815380)
There is a significant fraction of this country who hate it with a vengeance, despise all the trappings of statehood and heritage, and would gladly see us run by some other foreign power than accede to the legitimate democratically expressed will of its people. These people hated Boris before he was born, in fact they hate the very idea of a Boris. They would prefer him to cycle to international conferences in sack cloth and ashes followed by a chariot full of Grauniad readers flailing him with chains and thorns.
Speaking for myself, I actually would like to see Her Majesty and the Prime Minister travelling to state occasions in an aircraft appropriately liveried in the flag of this country, affording them the dignity and respect which they deserve. The previous VIP aircraft from Northolt had a perfectly respectable design. I think the timing of the change could have been better planned, and I think a jingoistic attitude may not be the way to go, and flying in on a plane emblazoned with the Union flag which carry,s some, shall we say unfortunate baggage in some parts of the world may not be helpful. Oh and by the way I am Sunday Times reader not Guardian, so I assume that is directed at somebody else. Man777 Thanks for info on new German State A/C. I will look out for it on my travel's out and about in Germany/ Europe/ World . Though currently the one I see most on my travel's, has been a certain Russian tycoons who used to own a UK football club I believe. Cheers Mr Mac |
Originally Posted by Davef68
(Post 10813653)
I've never understood the British reluctance to having a proper VIP aircraft for the Head of Govt/Head of State.
Becuase unlike a country I won't name, our prime minister doesn't need to use the jet to go golfing every other weekend. |
Lee Kwan Yew was happy to fly SQ all the time
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How about having all the flags of former colonies and dependencies incorporated into a nice old transport command cheat line, alphabetical from front to rear :E?
Mind you, that may put the USA a long way back, near the Windward Islands:ok: |
How about having all the flags of former colonies and dependencies incorporated into a nice old transport command cheat line, alphabetical from front to rear https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/evil.gif? Mind you, that may put the USA a long way back, near the Windward Islandshttps://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif |
Asturias56
Best advert for country and airline. Kind regards Mr Mac |
Better not tell Joe Public how much it costs for each engine to go to shop...
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June 9th EGsC
Saw it from back garden on approach to EGsC to be dolled up by Marshalls for our esteemed leader.
cheers https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....17748c504.jpeg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....66c067475.jpeg |
From the Guardian
Experts argue that by gradually repurposing the jet as a British flagship, Johnson and the prime ministers immediately before him are in effect gaining control of what is a $240m modified Airbus A330M on the cheap, with the true costs paid by the Ministry of Defence via the PFI deal. “No 10 should make that argument and be upfront about the cost. Instead this looks like they’re trying to get it through the back door with a dubious claim that this aircraft is still primarily a tanker,” Netherwood said. |
There is nothing wrong with a VIP fleet. The problem is this being done through the back door. Yes, it is all public money but this has been done behind closed doors. A cheesey 'look how great britain we are' paint job will not be well received by (I suggest) the majority at home and certainly not those abroad. We have been upsetting the rest of the world for 400 years - why stop now? :(
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I suppose this is what you get when The Telegraph reading “Let’s have a new royal yacht Britannia” set meets the pseudo-trumpian “I’ll paint the damn plane the way I want it” ego.
JAS |
I will be surprised if we will be able to afford to pay for the full Airbus contract much longer.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 10814891)
Back ends good but everything fwd of the wing not so good, nor the little RAF logos and serial location, In fact downright tacky comes to mind... keep it simply always gives it a sense of style, business like and purpose.
it makes you think the arse end has followed Frances tasteful scheme and after that they threw it open to committee and they all chucked their ideas on it.... Gold United Kingdom, what were they thinking? As if the arse end doesn’t tell you that, t looks like a flying knocking shop. Maggie would have needed a bigger hanky to cover up that mess. |
Originally Posted by Cat Techie
(Post 10815755)
It is bloody awful!
Calm down dear! (Credits to Winner and Cameron). |
Originally Posted by asdf1234
(Post 10815932)
Why is everyone getting so hot under the collar when none of you know what the final paint job is, or indeed will look like?
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1
(Post 10815326)
KnC,
I may not always agree with you, but I am very glad to see you are back again. We need contrary views!! |
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Originally Posted by asdf1234
(Post 10815932)
The aircraft has not been rolled out of the hangar yet. Why is everyone getting so hot under the collar when none of you know what the final paint job is, or indeed will look like?
Calm down dear! (Credits to Winner and Cameron). |
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A quickie modification showing how that scheme could be toned down, the crown would have the UK consisting of Great Britain and Northern Island on it like on the passport, by the door would mean it would be on show when photos are taken.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...290befeb_c.jpg |
Originally Posted by Chiefttp
(Post 10815279)
The civilized world owes a huge debt to England. Be Proud and show the flag.
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Originally Posted by kkbuk
(Post 10816337)
thus offending the Welsh, the Irish and the Scots.
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Originally Posted by kkbuk
(Post 10816337)
I think that you should use the term 'United Kingdom' really. The flag to which you refer is the flag of the United Kingdom and not England. Many people, especially foreigners, use 'England' as a term for the British Isles, thus offending the Welsh, the Irish and the Scots.
Jack |
Tail is just about bearable, everything forward of that is gobsmackingly tacky... Hardly surprising but it's not at all as statesman like as the French and German equivalents.
No surprise they plan to have a "Generic Meaningless Swoosh Thing" on it. NutLoose's adaptation is a big improvement... Lets hope Boris sees it and U-turns... |
Although we now view Concorde through the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia, let us not forget the furore about the waste of the taxpayers' £750 million.
Yet that money bought the country and the airline priceless prestige and publicity all round the world. I remember being at Twickenham's rugby sevens in the 80s when Concorde appeared on finals for LHR. The whole stadium burst into a version of the BA anthem of the time. That 's what an image can do for you. British ambassadors of the past reported that invitations to the royal yacht could boost British trade by billions. |
How many here who defend the re-painting of an aircraft at extra cost are persuaded to admire any other country who have done just that. Do you think that French or Indian prestige is greater because of a decorated aircraft or do they just look vain?
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The aircraft, ZZ336, was already planned and contracted for work including a respray. Tanked and transports have operated in other than camouflage over the years.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....86135f59e.jpeg |
Originally Posted by scotbill
(Post 10816786)
Although we now view Concorde through the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia, let us not forget the furore about the waste of the taxpayers' £750 million.
Yet that money bought the country and the airline priceless prestige and publicity all round the world. I remember being at Twickenham's rugby sevens in the 80s when Concorde appeared on finals for LHR. The whole stadium burst into a version of the BA anthem of the time. That 's what an image can do for you. British ambassadors of the past reported that invitations to the royal yacht could boost British trade by billions. |
Originally Posted by Flying Hi
(Post 10816351)
Never takes a lot.
CG Agreed about the United Kingdom remarks tho'. |
When I lived abroad, England and hence the UK was seen by parts of the press as a sort of Ruritania, a place significant for pomp and pageantry.
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At £900k that's a service check and paint job, was the aircraft due a respray. When I was on VC10's we kept a some aircraft in Gloss paint and the others in dull gray, the gloss one's had a basic colour paint scheme and did trouping flights, we had a bunch of first class seat we put in when they did VIP operations. Aircraft need re-painting regularly, also was this one of the ex TC aircraft, in an odd colour scheme. Need facts, most of this chat seems to be based on rumor.
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Originally Posted by c52
(Post 10817144)
When I lived abroad, England and hence the UK was seen by parts of the press as a sort of Ruritania, a place significant for pomp and pageantry.
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Is there a danger of glare when refueling if it has a glossy finish?
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Originally Posted by Tallbloke
(Post 10817222)
Is there a danger of glare when refueling if it has a glossy finish?
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