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Just a quicky
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 10814147)
Then the old VC10 scheme would be the best option, flat the top half down and spray it white, add a cheat line, the wings and all things down would remain as per before.
[Edit:If its the grey A330 that passed over my garage at about 500 AGL its was definitely grey ! all over] CAT III |
Get a life you lot! What leader arrives in a matt grey aircraft on international visits. We have looked like the poor relation too long and the cost is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Have you no pride in your country or nothing better to do than denigrate every decision made by the government - a bit of support would not go amiss right now.
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Whatever the top coat looks like I take it the Voyager will still have its IR undercoat.
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Notwithstanding vthe 'Why', I am a little shocked at the cost....Is someone adding a few GBPs to this and taking the p133 as it is 'outside of contract'? How much does an aircraft respray normally cost?
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hopefully they will fit a zip line so Boris can depart the aircraft with the dignity we would expect of him.
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They might be adding black and white recognition bars to the wings and fuselage for the 31st Jan celebrations.
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Originally Posted by racingrigger
(Post 10814231)
Get a life you lot! What leader arrives in a matt grey aircraft on international visits. We have looked like the poor relation too long and the cost is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Have you no pride in your country or nothing better to do than denigrate every decision made by the government - a bit of support would not go amiss right now.
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ISTR the costing included “design”. And of course anything fancy is going to need stick-on vinyl or spray templates. A bit more complex/expensive that just “mask the windows and spray the rest in grey”.
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Originally Posted by Wannabe Flyer
(Post 10814122)
Sadly also a photo shop as called out on Twitter a few days later.
So did the AAL dispatcher who's credited with the photo fake it himself, or has his identity been stolen by a Photoshopper ? And are the hundreds of other photos of his on the Net fakes too ? |
Originally Posted by TEEEJ
(Post 10813591)
Voyager looks good photo shopped in Air Support Command livery.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/evansa...y/11608974363/ |
Originally Posted by Diesel_10
(Post 10813129)
My man on the inside reckons its the AirTanker leased Voyager to Thomas Cook - now defunct. So it wouldn't have been in grey if it were needed. Calm down remoaners.
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Originally Posted by cngaero
(Post 10814463)
A definite photoshop. The fin flash colours are the wrong way round, unless Boris intends to share it with the French Premier.
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Wouldn't surprise me if it looked similar to this
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....96a00b0aff.jpg |
Personally, I always think that we’re very hair shirt in this country about transport for our political elites. There was a period (after the demise of the VC10s as VIP transports in 2001 perhaps?) where our leaders were ferried around in any old aircraft chartered from any old airline. Gordon Brown went to the US on a Titan B757 and was greeted with full military honours. I’m hoping that the wonderful Gene Willson was at the controls, none better to ferry our PM around, but it was an odd to see the British going for a bit of chartered affordable luxury (VIP config with leather seats!) in the home of the superpower. And I would definitely have replaced HMY Britannia - the whole world loves and respects our queen, so why not give her the tools to do the job of representing us abroad that she does so well. I’m also glad we have our VIP Voyager.
But, how can I say this.... Based on our CV19 experience, there seems to be a lot of evidence that Johnson isn’t much good at the basics of his job of governing the country. Maybe he’ll get better, he’s new after all. But the new Voyager paint job has been so widely reported that it’s obviously a political stunt. That’s what politicians do. However, I’m sure people will just be asking why a government that has made so many basic administrative errors in recent months is wasting its time on trivia like this. My prediction: when Johnson finally gaffes his way to his inevitable and fast approaching demise, his successor will blanch at the thought of pictures of him/her emerging from Boris’ red white and blue airborne folly de grandeur. The A330 will emerge from a “routine” trip to the painters in a lovely, forgettable, ignorable matt grey. |
Doesn't look so bad if this is anywhere near the truth:
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That’s breathtakingly tacky. Is the “United Kingdom” really gold? Maybe it’s to match the taps in Bozza’s new long haul bathroom suite.
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Back ends good but everything fwd of the wing not so good, nor the little RAF logos and serial location, In fact downright tacky comes to mind... keep it simply always gives it a sense of style, business like and purpose.
it makes you think the arse end has followed Frances tasteful scheme and after that they threw it open to committee and they all chucked their ideas on it.... Gold United Kingdom, what were they thinking? As if the arse end doesn’t tell you that, t looks like a flying knocking shop. Maggie would have needed a bigger hanky to cover up that mess. |
Younger son is a paint inspector and works in the world of superyachts. He has just flown to Hamburg for a project meeting in connection with the repaint of a 130-odd metre yacht. His printer went u/s before he flew out so he emailed me a couple of docs to print, which amounted to over 50 A4 pages of specifications for the job. The work is highly labour intensive, and at that level of expertise wages are high and labour costs are considerable. When I asked him how much the job was going to cost he said he wasn't sure, but not less than one million euros. Puts the £900k for the Voyager into perspective. Also that £900k is not lost to the economy. A lot of it goes to provide well paid work to skilled employees, boosting the local economy (presumably around Cambridge), and of that a fair amount is going to come straight back in the form of income tax, VAT on the paint etc.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10814411)
Can't find any evidence to support that.
So did the AAL dispatcher who's credited with the photo fake it himself, or has his identity been stolen by a Photoshopper ? And are the hundreds of other photos of his on the Net fakes too ? |
Don`t think it needs the `swoopy` blue line,should be more like the -146,unless that`s a nod to the Senior Service.....the `UK`could be done in `rainbow` colours,outlined in black......
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Originally Posted by Wannabe Flyer
(Post 10815028)
The 2 Aircraft VT ALW & VT ALV have been parked at Forthworth for interior & other fit outs for the past 6 months. They last flew there in the AI livery from Chicago after scheduled passenger flights. ALW took to the air about a week ago probably for a test flight for the first time. This photoshopped picture has been doing the rounds for at least a month.
It's true that ALW has been at Forth Worth Alliance - though not for "6 months", but for more than a year. However it flew more than 2 months ago, on April 14 - not "about a week ago" - to San Bernardino. KSBD is the home ot AeroPro who, amongst other activities, provide aircraft painting services to airlines and government operators (other paintshops are available :O). ALW returned to KAFW 7 weeks later, on June 2, resplendent in its new Indian Government livery, and sporting a newly-acquired SATCOM antenna (AeroPro also specialise in SATCOM upgrades). June 2 happens to be the date of those two widely-circulated photos by a respected and prolific aviation photographer - Andy Egloff - showing the aircraft approaching KAFW on its return flight. Egloff would become a laughing stock it it was shown that he was passing off fake photos as genuine. Finally, a Google image search fails to find any instances of those two photos prior to June 2. If you can find a copy of either photo that was posted "at least a month" ago, I'd be interested to see it. |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaysvfCX...jpg&name=small
There was me, thinking we were a "United Kingdom". That tail is totally wrong, with the St George's Cross several times the size of the others. I know it's the dominant centre of the Union Flag, but..... |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 10812913)
Ii would imagine the grey reqs little in the way of upkeep to keep looking smart, however a shiny scheme does.
I too have design some schemes in the past that are flying ;) |
The Britannias had a good paint finish too!
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f159a0014.jpeg |
TTN, a 130 m long yacht is roughly twice as long as an A330-300, and if we assume the beam and overall height are twice as much too (a very crude estimate I know), then we are talking four times the surface area. Also the yacht has complex exterior features and as you say yourself would be labour intensive to paint. So if 1m€ is ok for the yacht, then £900k seems a tad expensive for the aircraft.
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Originally Posted by tow1709
(Post 10815167)
TTN, a 130 m long yacht is roughly twice as long as an A330-300, and if we assume the beam and overall height are twice as much too (a very crude estimate I know), then we are talking four times the surface area. Also the yacht has complex exterior features and as you say yourself would be labour intensive to paint. So if 1m€ is ok for the yacht, then £900k seems a tad expensive for the aircraft.
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Whatever. But I do hope that the tacky little slopey-A RAF logo in front of the registration mark doesn't appear on the final scheme.
The swoopy blue vein looks hideous - good idea, but lousy design. |
Originally Posted by kiwibrit
(Post 10815158)
From my experience:The Belfasts had a high gloss paint finish. It was very easy to keep clean.
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Couple of things
The aircraft is probably due a repaint anyway, The pain that is used is very different from maritime, as it has to be able to cope with very cold and very hot temperatures, When Air Livery us ed to be at Manchester it used to take about 10 to 15 days for a repaint including taking all the old off so doesn`t really cause a problem with colours and the Union Flag will maybe be stuck on |
Given the aircraft will be used to convey Boris, and others who fancy a junket or two, surely to reflect this pax demographic and the state of the UK a fetching blend of ochre would be appropriate ? ……...this suggestion may not go down well with some of the aesthetic purists of course. .
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Perhaps they could add vinyl images across the top depicting the UKs historical relationships to the country the ambassador is visiting.
Such as the Battle of Rorke's Drift, the burning of the original White House, Penal Colony Transports, Agincourt. Would make for better news headlines than tearing down monuments and blaming the Police for everything. |
KnC
Good to see you have returned. With regards to BJ new transport and the garish paintwork scheme above, I would say it show,s his personality rather than that of the UK,s. As for being different from the Grey scheme used by many other heads of state, I would observe that at least if flying into a more 3rd world country, it will make for easier identification and targeting by anyone with an AK47 to hand. Personally I am not sure flying around with a large Union flag on the tail (other than BA) is such a good idea in these times. Cheers Mr Mac |
Is a Voyager a bit big for, say, short haul trips around Europe? Is there scope to use a (repurposed) Sentinel when 5 disband?
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The civilized world owes a huge debt to England. Be Proud and show the flag.
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Originally Posted by Il Duce
(Post 10815254)
Is a Voyager a bit big for, say, short haul trips around Europe? Is there scope to use a (repurposed) Sentinel when 5 disband?
It would be cheaper to buy new than to repurpose those. they would be a nightmare to demod. |
KnC,
I may not always agree with you, but I am very glad to see you are back again. We need contrary views!! |
The Times (which is happy to criticise every Government decision) view |
Originally Posted by Chiefttp
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The civilised world owes a huge debt to
Jack |
Originally Posted by BEagle
(Post 10814038)
Well, I really don't understand all this whingeing....
A Voyager painted appropriately in national colours will be worthy VIP aircraft, although ideally there should be 2 as turning up in a grey jet would reflect badly. I hope that HM was asked for Her approval of the final design? My cynical mind wonders if the garish scheme is not partly a plan to stop HM and other senior royals exploiting first come first served (and causing manufactured outrage as in the May v PoW non-story). I hope she insists on Royal Air Force not United Kingdom. The design reminds me of a remaindered 2012 Team GB mountain bike helmet I bought for one of my children from Halfords. It should be repainted in a scheme that gives subtle understated reflection of UK identity. In the current climate, the design might seem overly "colonialist" in certain commonwealth countries where politicians might not be above exploiting it. Especially inappropriate in HMQ's overseas realms which she or her representative visit in her capacity as the local head of state. Also agree there need to be two, surely post C-19 there will be cheap civil A330s with business/1st layouts to be had for lease - true there will be additional costs for comms, defensive measures etc. avoiding the need to use another AirTanker Voyager. (I am assuming they didn't manage to get exclusive rights to VIP transport using A330s.) Not just for servicability but duplicate calls, I assumed post Brexit HMG will be making lots of marketing trips for "Global Britain" - if the original conversion saved substantially on charters surely that makes sense. |
Whilst everyone is sitting moaning about 'BJ1'. What bad news is being passed out quietly ?? Or am I just a suspicious beggar ??
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