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Another couple of photos of the rescue of one of the ejectees from the roof of a house - click on them to enlarge
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Strange looking ejection. Outside seat envelope with rate of descent? Seats both seemed to have a downward trajectory.
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tartare "...smoke on ejection.." It is usual. Ejection seats are propelled by small rockets.
LKF. Aircraft ejections usually result in injury to the ejectee. Lately, the odds of getting injured upon ejection is kinda 50/50. An improvement since I last checked. Seats and training are getting better, apparently. |
Originally Posted by evansb
(Post 10785468)
Ejection seats are propelled by small rockets. What did you think? Rubber bands?
Have a look at multiple ejection videos on the web. Flames, yes. A bit of white smoke, occasionally. First time I've seen that degree of brown/black smoke. And there's more from one seat than the other. The Tutor is a 1960s era aircraft - does it still use the Weber seats? Perhaps just a different type of propellant... |
City will hold press conference at 16:45 local. Impact was on the north shore of the Thompson River in Brocklehurst area (Tranquille/Crestline/Glenview/Schreiner Streets). One female confirmed dead of catastrophic injuries - "It looks like she hit a tree."
https://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/new...use-1.24136744 |
Anyone know if the Tutor has command ejection?
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Originally Posted by tartare
(Post 10785470)
The Tutor is a 1960s era aircraft - does it still use the Weber seats?
Perhaps just a different type of propellant... IMO, it's past time to ditch the Tutors and maybe spend the money on some BAE Hawks like those used at NFTC in Moose Jaw. |
Speaking as a former QFI.
Looks initially like an engine failure after T/O, followed by an attempt to trade energy for altitude and then a turn back leading to a loss of control and ejection. basing my judgement entirely on the video and audio recordings. |
Capt. Casey joined the Snowbirds in 2018 and served as a spokesperson. Prior to that, she was a reporter, anchor and producer with NEWS 95.7 in Halifax. RIP
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Snowbirds crash victim was Haligonian, former journalistOfficial sources have confirmed that one person has died in a tragic accident that occurred in Kamloops, earlier todayabout an hour ago By: HalifaxToday Staff https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4d69e8855e.png Official sources have confirmed that one person has died in a tragic accident that occurred in Kamloops, B.C. earlier today. "It is with heavy hearts that we announce that one member of the CF Snowbirds team has died and one has sustained serious injuries," says a Tweet from the Snowbirds. HalifaxToday has confirmed that Captain Jenn Casey, who served as a spokesperson for the Snowbirds, was on the plane when it crashed. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ad266e256c.jpg Casey grew up in Halifax, getting a Bachelor of Arts at Dalhousie University and attending journalism school at the University of King's College. Prior to joining the Canadian Armed Forces, Jenn was an employee of NEWS 95.7 working as a reporter, an anchor and as a producer for The Rick Howe Show. According to her online profile with the Air Force, Casey has been with the Snowbirds since November 2018. The RCAF confirmed in a Tweet that Casey's family has been notified. |
Originally Posted by tartare
(Post 10785470)
Yes - I do know that :rolleyes:
Have a look at multiple ejection videos on the web. Flames, yes. A bit of white smoke, occasionally. First time I've seen that degree of brown/black smoke. And there's more from one seat than the other. The Tutor is a 1960s era aircraft - does it still use the Weber seats? Perhaps just a different type of propellant... |
Originally Posted by dave.rooney
(Post 10785489)
I asked the same question... I can't find anything saying otherwise. Also, when Capt. Kevin Domon-Grenier had to eject last October, he reported "anomalies" during the ejection sequence. Again, I couldn't find any specifics on that.
IMO, it's past time to ditch the Tutors and maybe spend the money on some BAE Hawks like those used at NFTC in Moose Jaw. Yep, wondered if it was a stall on attempted turn back when watching the video. Questions around smoke and propellants - I was thinking about the age of the seats - and if the `chute deployed on Captain Casey's... |
Originally Posted by Monarch Man
(Post 10785495)
Speaking as a former QFI.
Looks initially like an engine failure after T/O, followed by an attempt to trade energy for altitude and then a turn back leading to a loss of control and ejection. basing my judgement entirely on the video and audio recordings. The description of the retired nurse at the scene wasn’t an easy read. |
Originally Posted by dave.rooney
(Post 10785489)
IMO, it's past time to ditch the Tutors and maybe spend the money on some BAE Hawks like those used at NFTC in Moose Jaw.
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Any amount of negative vertical speed can overcome even the newest 0/0 seats. A certain envelope must be fulfilled in order for the seats to have a chance of working successfully. It seems control was lost prior to ejection, which was done at an undesirable energy state. Any idea on the glide performance of the Tutor, plenty of empty land around the airport...
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"...negative vertical speed.." is a term known to less than 0.01 per cent of the world's populace. I understand you none the less.
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Any idea on the glide performance of the Tutor, plenty of empty land around the airport... https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ka...4d-120.4417902 But there is the Thompson River directly on runway heading (either runway, it bends around the airport). However, I have no clue how well a Tutor would handle a ditching, nor whether a visiting crew would recognize that option unless they'd had a special briefing. |
JPJP
It is not unusual for the majority of the Snowbirds team to be from non-FJ backgrounds. The RCAF is also very short on FJ pilots as it is.
As nice an idea as an RCAF team flying Hornets sounds I think they would really struggle to man it. Especially as a 9-ship. BV |
Engine failure on takeoff, every pilot’s nightmare. I hope he gets plenty of support - the death of his colleague is going to be hard on him.
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