AFPRB 2020
 

Has anyone heard any news of when the 49th AFPRB 2020 report will be published, or what the recommendations might be? With MPs awarding themselves 3.1 % we have to be hopeful...... don’t we? 😂

The government has requested that the AFPRB report to them in April 20, and like last year the announcement and any subsequent award with be delayed and backdated.

The government has stated that in 2021 they will revert back to the traditional times lines.

Regards

Expectation is Jul/Aug 20 with the standard faff of being back-dated 6 months later in Sep 20 for the change since 1 Apr 20. If you are serving Aircrew in the RAF (Regular or Reserve), with a Defence Gateway account, then this sort of stuff has been discussed on the Defence Connect “Crew Room” by the Branch Advisors and the Pay Team. No Rumour, only fact... :ok:

I've said this before....!!!!

A 2.9%, split into 2%, then 2 chunks of non-contributable 0.9% was effectively a wage advance that no-one wanted.
It was claimed back automatically when we got 2.9% again (we'd already had 0.9%), so everyone got real-terms 2% again!
We were promised 6.5% over 3 years! So don't expect the maths to add up!!!!!

2.9% + 2.9% = 5.8%, so expect 0.7% (below Austerity, but likely to be blamed on Covid-19)
2% + 2% with 0.9% already borrowed and paid back = 4.9%, so you should be getting 1.6% after Austerity. Brace yourselves for it...!!!


It took the Govt 4 Months to dream up this Smoke & Mirrors, but I saw through it in 4 Seconds - Just 1 of the reasons I decided to leave for the Private Sector!!!









BIG TIP (My Opinion Only - Please take advise from Forces Pension Society or other IFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - it depends on each individual circumstances!!!!!!!!!!!!):
If you commutate your pension, so ALL your lump sum is tax free (mine got me debt-free!) & your remaining annual pension falls just short of/close to £12500, then call HMRC and get your 1250L tax code (or other tax-code/amount if you borrow from your spouse) allocated to it!
As an Agency driver, my MOD Pension#1 is now 100% tax-free, I only pay tax on my sporadic/random work days (~3 days each week!!!!). If I only work 1 day, I get an NI credit, but only pay tax for 1 day - If I work 5 days, I get an NI credit and pay 5 days of tax!
If I get a full-time job, then I may probably change it to my larger guaranteed income!!
Any rebate between MOD Pension#1 and Tax-Code each April gets thrown into WorkPlace Pension Pot#2, although I might have to make a 1-off NI Contributrion to cover a 5-week training period in November, paid for by CPT/myself, so no earnings for that period.

A very good rumour source says that it will now be out earlier than planned and that it will be 2.5%. Watch and shoot...watch and shoot...

Anyone know if this was delivered on time to the Government in April? Could be very interesting to see whether we get anything in this current "unprecedented" time. What about the NHS too, wonder if they will get a different award to us.

The NHS are currently in 3 year pay deal which expires in 21, perhaps the government will revise up what was agreed 3 years ago due to Covid who knows.

Public sectors pay awards are generally always different between departments, historically the military tend to fair better but I’m thinking for the next few years we might be back to 0%,time will tell.

The Service pay chiefs have been trying to get a similar 3 year pay deal like the NHS but it’s not happened yet, in recent times anyway.

Tuesday or Wednesday???

2% it is then...


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LJ,

Thanks for posting. I must admit I was expecting a pay freeze, because the government can’t afford it right now due to COVID - but jazzed up a bit with political speak.

Welcome news.

I suspect several years of pay freezes are just round the corner and this will be the last rise for a while.

Melchett,

I hope you’re wrong - but I think you’re right!

For those of us working temporarily overseas, is there anything official yet? Or are we purely relying on the meeja?

Yes, confirmed and published on MODNet

I think he's right as I gather it's from existing funds.....so what gets cut?

now on interweb for those without PLODNet
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/a...ive-2-pay-rise

The AFPRB 2020 report is here...


https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf

Good news for the RPAS Ladies/Gents. Para 3.63

Para 3.41... a very welcome ‘mea culpa’ from the AFPRB on RRP, just as SofS predicts the end of the piloting profession!

The name ‘RRP‘ gave cover to the intimidatory nonsense of its removal upon early termination. Hopefully that unjust policy will go swiftly in the light of these comments. And I wonder if there will be some scribblies disappointed that the rug has been pulled out from under a grand plan to get rid of ‘flying pay’ entirely (I have just renamed it in line with AFPRB intent).

Next, make it pensionable.

Actually, where do the AFPRB’s comments leave the flying pay reforms which a few years ago delayed rewarding a ‘skill’ for 7 years to act as a retention measure? All change, please, all change...

That is good news, but a consequence of this ( though in no way should this discredit the RPAS guys) is that now FJ selected pilots will receive RRP about 3 years later than all the other pilots, including RPAS. Some savvy pilots already don't want to go jets as they realise that they will be significantly better off selected as multi engine- hitting every promotion and pay band scale earlier and then of course leaving at the first opportunity.
..how will this help?

It's almost as if someone should decide on the shortest route to flying pay (course time only), set a timeline based on that and award people flying pay based on remaining in the flying training system after that time to ensure fairness. 72 weeks sounds like a pretty solid number off the top of my head.

INCORRECT!

Since 1 Apr 17, all Officer Aircrew receive their first Tier 1 RRP(F) some 6 years after starting Flying Training - regardless of the type they end up on. However, to get onto Tier 2 RRP(F) then that is 6 years after completion of OCU which is different for all as each OCU differs in length and the amount of time you take to get there. So, everyone now gets RRP(F) at roughly the same time in their cohort, but the jump to Tier 2 differs for everyone. :ok:

There is a review on RRP(F) and PAS for AFPRB 2022 - they are 5 yearly reviews, with the last one being AFPRB 2017 when the latest scheme came in.

Which would be great if tier 1 wasn't a shadow of its' former self LJ?

Tier 2 isn’t too shabby though, and will be awarded before an individual would have received middle rate on the old system.

Well, there you go, good gen. Not as bad as i thought but still penalises those who go the FJ route by about 2-3 years ( 4 if they go Lightning as the OCU is comically long) once holds are taken into account. There are also going to be some truly exceptional wage differences on the FL between people of the same rank, some FL on about 47k with some on approx 70k...maybe 75-80k if they are PAS.

"Tier 2 isn’t too shabby though, and will be awarded before an individual would have received middle rate on the old system"

by which i assume you mean the newer 'old' system? Surely if you went RPAS on the old system ( assuming you got RRP for RPAS)
you could have been on middle rate by about 6 years after starting flying training?

If it took 2 years to go from Crow to Pro on RPAS then yes, middle rate by your 6th year is achievable.

The penalisation for FJ is just the way the cookie crumbles. Same as Dark Blue RW types are seen off by pingers who go straight to OCU after advanced rotary without having to do the tactics course, or the Army types that go on a 12 week CTT compared to a 9 month one for a different platform. RRP(f) is the sweetener once you are finally useful on a front line type.

I'm interested to see that there is to be a review of PAS for AFPRB 2022. Do you know/think it will also address the fact that there is no PAS pension or is it just rates. I'm on Lvl 33 and retire on AFPS 75 in two years so it'd be great if some decent change took place just before I leave!

Nil_Drift

A pilot whinging about other people being paid more than them? My irony meter has just flickered.

Sounds familiar :)

And why is that a problem? Or unfair? Ah you must be the majority of the Air Force that sees actual aviation as an inconvenience.........

*edited to be aimed at Alfred the "great" who appears to add no value to this forum

Is 'cohort' the latest bizz-speak wanque-word?

Well the Aircrew cohort are almost exactly 10% of the RAF... :cool:

cohort
noun [ C ]
UK /ˈkəʊhɔːt/ US

a group of people who share a characteristic, usually age:
About 42% of women in this age cohort have a collegedegree.
This year's cohort of graduates will have particulardifficulties finding jobs.

Consider yourself edified, Beags...

How typical that such a stupid usage should have such a source.....

'tis utter bolleaux!

Am I the only one who detects a hint of irony?

Don't really get what you mean.

Do you think that aircrew aren't worthy of RRP and that anyone can do the job? A pilot who is selected and then goes through years of training, finally arrives at the front line and then works hard and spends a lot of time away wanting to earn a wage sufficient enough to keep them in isn't whinging. Its exactly the wrong kind of attitude where we think people who are 28 by the time they reach the front line and realise that the people they were on IOT with are pushing for SL already won't be a bit p**sed off.

I believe the phrase is “take a chance, pick your branch” :ok:

Not sure what you mean by “no PAS pension”?
Your AFPS75 pension is based on your final salary which means it a much better deal then aircrew not on PAS who’s Retention Pay (‘flying pay’) is not included in the calculation.
I suspect a review will mainly focus on the level limits to adjust for the longer service with MEOS60. Just my guess.

I get that, and from an individual point of view, that's absolutely fine. However from a service point of view it will only add to the discontent and decreasing numbers of people actually wanting to stay on in the service. The flying isn't as good as it was, the conditions are getting worse, the benefits are getting worse, the pension is worse ( back on track) and you earn as much as your admin/eng counterpart (In truth, less because they are probably promoted at that point) for the first 6 years (actually you don't start flying training the day you graduate you usually hold for a year or so, so actually more like 7 or 8 years).

The numbers are telling, FL pilots are actually leaving ( COVID might have done some 'good' for the numbers but its still true), more telling is that people are turning down promotion and removing themselves from QWI courses before they even start as they don't want to get tied into a longer RoS.

I heard yesterday that the 2015 pension for PAS doesn't take the RRP (extra) into account, is this true? I cannot find that. I.E. A Flt Lt earns 47k and 19k RRP, the Flt Lt PAS pension would be based on 47k even though the total wage would be 66k?

Not true for the current 2015 pension. That is categorically not the case. Total bolleaux. Etc.