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AFPRB 2020

Old 5th Mar 2020, 22:01
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AFPRB 2020

Has anyone heard any news of when the 49th AFPRB 2020 report will be published, or what the recommendations might be? With MPs awarding themselves 3.1 % we have to be hopeful...... don’t we? 😂
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 00:36
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Originally Posted by wokkamate View Post
Has anyone heard any news of when the 49th AFPRB 2020 report will be published, or what the recommendations might be? With MPs awarding themselves 3.1 % we have to be hopeful...... don’t we? 😂
The government has requested that the AFPRB report to them in April 20, and like last year the announcement and any subsequent award with be delayed and backdated.

The government has stated that in 2021 they will revert back to the traditional times lines.

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Old 6th Mar 2020, 19:33
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Expectation is Jul/Aug 20 with the standard faff of being back-dated 6 months later in Sep 20 for the change since 1 Apr 20. If you are serving Aircrew in the RAF (Regular or Reserve), with a Defence Gateway account, then this sort of stuff has been discussed on the Defence Connect “Crew Room” by the Branch Advisors and the Pay Team. No Rumour, only fact...
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 13:59
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I've said this before....!!!!

A 2.9%, split into 2%, then 2 chunks of non-contributable 0.9% was effectively a wage advance that no-one wanted.
It was claimed back automatically when we got 2.9% again (we'd already had 0.9%), so everyone got real-terms 2% again!
We were promised 6.5% over 3 years! So don't expect the maths to add up!!!!!

2.9% + 2.9% = 5.8%, so expect 0.7% (below Austerity, but likely to be blamed on Covid-19)
2% + 2% with 0.9% already borrowed and paid back = 4.9%, so you should be getting 1.6% after Austerity. Brace yourselves for it...!!!


It took the Govt 4 Months to dream up this Smoke & Mirrors, but I saw through it in 4 Seconds - Just 1 of the reasons I decided to leave for the Private Sector!!!









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If you commutate your pension, so ALL your lump sum is tax free (mine got me debt-free!) & your remaining annual pension falls just short of/close to £12500, then call HMRC and get your 1250L tax code (or other tax-code/amount if you borrow from your spouse) allocated to it!
As an Agency driver, my MOD Pension#1 is now 100% tax-free, I only pay tax on my sporadic/random work days (~3 days each week!!!!). If I only work 1 day, I get an NI credit, but only pay tax for 1 day - If I work 5 days, I get an NI credit and pay 5 days of tax!
If I get a full-time job, then I may probably change it to my larger guaranteed income!!
Any rebate between MOD Pension#1 and Tax-Code each April gets thrown into WorkPlace Pension Pot#2, although I might have to make a 1-off NI Contributrion to cover a 5-week training period in November, paid for by CPT/myself, so no earnings for that period.

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Old 20th Mar 2020, 18:57
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A very good rumour source says that it will now be out earlier than planned and that it will be 2.5%. Watch and shoot...watch and shoot...
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Anyone know if this was delivered on time to the Government in April? Could be very interesting to see whether we get anything in this current "unprecedented" time. What about the NHS too, wonder if they will get a different award to us.
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Old 3rd Jun 2020, 18:31
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Originally Posted by CAC Runaway View Post
Anyone know if this was delivered on time to the Government in April? Could be very interesting to see whether we get anything in this current "unprecedented" time. What about the NHS too, wonder if they will get a different award to us.
The NHS are currently in 3 year pay deal which expires in 21, perhaps the government will revise up what was agreed 3 years ago due to Covid who knows.

Public sectors pay awards are generally always different between departments, historically the military tend to fair better but I’m thinking for the next few years we might be back to 0%,time will tell.

The Service pay chiefs have been trying to get a similar 3 year pay deal like the NHS but it’s not happened yet, in recent times anyway.
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Tuesday or Wednesday???
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2% it is then...



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LJ,

Thanks for posting. I must admit I was expecting a pay freeze, because the government can’t afford it right now due to COVID - but jazzed up a bit with political speak.

Welcome news.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 09:50
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LJ,

Thanks for posting. I must admit I was expecting a pay freeze, because the government can’t afford it right now due to COVID - but jazzed up a bit with political speak.

Welcome news.
I suspect several years of pay freezes are just round the corner and this will be the last rise for a while.
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Melchett,

I hope you’re wrong - but I think you’re right!
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For those of us working temporarily overseas, is there anything official yet? Or are we purely relying on the meeja?
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For those of us working temporarily overseas, is there anything official yet? Or are we purely relying on the meeja?
Yes, confirmed and published on MODNet
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 14:28
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Originally Posted by Professor Plum View Post
Melchett,

I hope you’re wrong - but I think you’re right!
I think he's right as I gather it's from existing funds.....so what gets cut?
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now on interweb for those without PLODNet
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/a...ive-2-pay-rise
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 19:17
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The AFPRB 2020 report is here...


https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf

Good news for the RPAS Ladies/Gents. Para 3.63
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Para 3.41... a very welcome ‘mea culpa’ from the AFPRB on RRP, just as SofS predicts the end of the piloting profession!

MOD’s framework for considering RRPs under four factors has served to highlight to us that in many cases, the description of such payments as “recruitment and retention” is inappropriate. For some payments, the appropriate title would be a skill-based supplement. We acknowledge that the title of RRP for all such payments was made at our behest some years ago, but after considerable reflection, for our next round, we would welcome MOD’s analysis of all RRPs so that they can be appropriately re-categorised. MOD should also give serious consideration to the creation or amendment of bespoke pay spines that integrate the current skill category wide RRPs for such groups where RRPs are effectively structural components of pay such as Special Forces, submariners and pilots.
The name ‘RRP‘ gave cover to the intimidatory nonsense of its removal upon early termination. Hopefully that unjust policy will go swiftly in the light of these comments. And I wonder if there will be some scribblies disappointed that the rug has been pulled out from under a grand plan to get rid of ‘flying pay’ entirely (I have just renamed it in line with AFPRB intent).

Next, make it pensionable.

Actually, where do the AFPRB’s comments leave the flying pay reforms which a few years ago delayed rewarding a ‘skill’ for 7 years to act as a retention measure? All change, please, all change...
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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 13:49
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Originally Posted by Professor Plum View Post
The AFPRB 2020 report is here...


https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf

Good news for the RPAS Ladies/Gents. Para 3.63
That is good news, but a consequence of this ( though in no way should this discredit the RPAS guys) is that now FJ selected pilots will receive RRP about 3 years later than all the other pilots, including RPAS. Some savvy pilots already don't want to go jets as they realise that they will be significantly better off selected as multi engine- hitting every promotion and pay band scale earlier and then of course leaving at the first opportunity.
..how will this help?
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Originally Posted by thelizardking View Post
That is good news, but a consequence of this ( though in no way should this discredit the RPAS guys) is that now FJ selected pilots will receive RRP about 3 years later than all the other pilots, including RPAS. Some savvy pilots already don't want to go jets as they realise that they will be significantly better off selected as multi engine- hitting every promotion and pay band scale earlier and then of course leaving at the first opportunity.
..how will this help?
It's almost as if someone should decide on the shortest route to flying pay (course time only), set a timeline based on that and award people flying pay based on remaining in the flying training system after that time to ensure fairness. 72 weeks sounds like a pretty solid number off the top of my head.
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