INCORRECT!

Since 1 Apr 17, all Officer Aircrew receive their first Tier 1 RRP(F) some 6 years after starting Flying Training - regardless of the type they end up on. However, to get onto Tier 2 RRP(F) then that is 6 years after completion of OCU which is different for all as each OCU differs in length and the amount of time you take to get there. So, everyone now gets RRP(F) at roughly the same time in their cohort, but the jump to Tier 2 differs for everyone. :ok:

There is a review on RRP(F) and PAS for AFPRB 2022 - they are 5 yearly reviews, with the last one being AFPRB 2017 when the latest scheme came in.

Which would be great if tier 1 wasn't a shadow of its' former self LJ?

Tier 2 isn’t too shabby though, and will be awarded before an individual would have received middle rate on the old system.

Well, there you go, good gen. Not as bad as i thought but still penalises those who go the FJ route by about 2-3 years ( 4 if they go Lightning as the OCU is comically long) once holds are taken into account. There are also going to be some truly exceptional wage differences on the FL between people of the same rank, some FL on about 47k with some on approx 70k...maybe 75-80k if they are PAS.

"Tier 2 isn’t too shabby though, and will be awarded before an individual would have received middle rate on the old system"

by which i assume you mean the newer 'old' system? Surely if you went RPAS on the old system ( assuming you got RRP for RPAS)
you could have been on middle rate by about 6 years after starting flying training?

If it took 2 years to go from Crow to Pro on RPAS then yes, middle rate by your 6th year is achievable.

The penalisation for FJ is just the way the cookie crumbles. Same as Dark Blue RW types are seen off by pingers who go straight to OCU after advanced rotary without having to do the tactics course, or the Army types that go on a 12 week CTT compared to a 9 month one for a different platform. RRP(f) is the sweetener once you are finally useful on a front line type.

I'm interested to see that there is to be a review of PAS for AFPRB 2022. Do you know/think it will also address the fact that there is no PAS pension or is it just rates. I'm on Lvl 33 and retire on AFPS 75 in two years so it'd be great if some decent change took place just before I leave!

Nil_Drift

A pilot whinging about other people being paid more than them? My irony meter has just flickered.

Sounds familiar :)

And why is that a problem? Or unfair? Ah you must be the majority of the Air Force that sees actual aviation as an inconvenience.........

*edited to be aimed at Alfred the "great" who appears to add no value to this forum

Is 'cohort' the latest bizz-speak wanque-word?

Well the Aircrew cohort are almost exactly 10% of the RAF... :cool:

cohort
noun [ C ]
UK /ˈkəʊhɔːt/ US

a group of people who share a characteristic, usually age:
About 42% of women in this age cohort have a collegedegree.
This year's cohort of graduates will have particulardifficulties finding jobs.

Consider yourself edified, Beags...

How typical that such a stupid usage should have such a source.....

'tis utter bolleaux!

Am I the only one who detects a hint of irony?

Don't really get what you mean.

Do you think that aircrew aren't worthy of RRP and that anyone can do the job? A pilot who is selected and then goes through years of training, finally arrives at the front line and then works hard and spends a lot of time away wanting to earn a wage sufficient enough to keep them in isn't whinging. Its exactly the wrong kind of attitude where we think people who are 28 by the time they reach the front line and realise that the people they were on IOT with are pushing for SL already won't be a bit p**sed off.

I believe the phrase is “take a chance, pick your branch” :ok:

Not sure what you mean by “no PAS pension”?
Your AFPS75 pension is based on your final salary which means it a much better deal then aircrew not on PAS who’s Retention Pay (‘flying pay’) is not included in the calculation.
I suspect a review will mainly focus on the level limits to adjust for the longer service with MEOS60. Just my guess.

I get that, and from an individual point of view, that's absolutely fine. However from a service point of view it will only add to the discontent and decreasing numbers of people actually wanting to stay on in the service. The flying isn't as good as it was, the conditions are getting worse, the benefits are getting worse, the pension is worse ( back on track) and you earn as much as your admin/eng counterpart (In truth, less because they are probably promoted at that point) for the first 6 years (actually you don't start flying training the day you graduate you usually hold for a year or so, so actually more like 7 or 8 years).

The numbers are telling, FL pilots are actually leaving ( COVID might have done some 'good' for the numbers but its still true), more telling is that people are turning down promotion and removing themselves from QWI courses before they even start as they don't want to get tied into a longer RoS.

I heard yesterday that the 2015 pension for PAS doesn't take the RRP (extra) into account, is this true? I cannot find that. I.E. A Flt Lt earns 47k and 19k RRP, the Flt Lt PAS pension would be based on 47k even though the total wage would be 66k?

Not true for the current 2015 pension. That is categorically not the case. Total bolleaux. Etc.