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Gee Dubya inadvertently upset a number of Pakistanis back in 2002: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a.matthewengel

Back in the 1970s after some race riot incident, the newsreader announced that "A pack of Asian youths had been involved" - a most unfortunate collective noun. Later news broadcasts referred instead to "A number […]".

How does the 'hunting licence loophole' allow someone to buy a Glock FFS - who goes hunting with a Glock?

More guns is definitely the answer :ugh: the ensuing gunfight would look like a comedy Western barfight but with hundreds of casualties................

You don't get out much anymore do you, Crab?

In this particular event....a Watch Standers with a firearm would have both help prevent it from happening at all as well as putting an immediate end to it.

Perhaps we do a better job of firearms training in our forces than does the RAF.

You may have seen reference to NCIS in news reports....the Navy's equivalent to the FBI (but with higher standards as of late)....at our HQ in Suitland Maryland....we had two Special Agents held hostage by a gunman INSIDE the HQ.

Management in a real fit of stupidity required all Agents to store their issued handguns in secure Pistol Lockers during work hours.

In those days....if I had my pants on....I was armed....no matter the policy but then I was not at HQ but out there amongst them!

Thus....dis-armed armed Police were victims of a Kidnapping inside the Head Quarters work spaces.

How do you think it would have turned out had the two and their colleagues been armed?

SASless I have to ask, let's assume you'd been sent in to stop the shooter, the Saudi was in uniform and you came across two uniformed personnel shooting it out, how would you know who was the bad guy? At least the LEOs knew that the guy with the gun was the baddie, because no one else had one. But if everyone in uniform had a gun and was blazing away, how could you tell who was who? Genuine question.

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Originally Posted by DaveUnwin (Post 10638405)

The 'guards' who initially went to stop the shooter were unarmed. How were they expected to stop an armed shooter when they were unarmed. Genuine question.
An unarmed 'guard' isn't a guard, they are a target.

Dave....lets be real here.

Having been involved with some armed responses in my time....in this case it would. have been pretty easy.

I see one of the Al Brothers in a Saudi Uniform blazing away at two guys in US Uniforms (in this case....unarmed non-Al Brother dudes) a bit of deduction would tell you who the bad guy is.

Now alter the same scenario to include two armed non-Al Brother guys in American Uniforms blazing away at one Al Brother.....again simple deduction would give you an idea....especially when the two begin to tell you what is going on and pointing out the bad guy.

Good Guys do not point or shoot guns at you when you roll up as the armed Plod....they have a countenance on them that clearly indicates they are glad to have you show up.

Gun fights are pretty simple usually....not much confusion as to who are not the good guys.

Ever watch many videos of them on the internet?

If you show up at an active shooter scene....and the shooting is going on.....you do not have to be Sherlock to figure it out.

From experience the bad guy has done one or both of those actions...point...or point and shoot....before dropping his weapon for one reason or another.

no point in turning this into a Second Amendment argument - no-one ever changes their minds...................

Posters are invited to heed Asturias56's suggestion.

US Justice Dept Press Conference starting in a few minutes on Fox News in the USA - I'll post link to video when available.

Points so far:

Was an act of terrorism - began social media posts Sep 11.
Acted alone.
21 other RSAF & RSN had posted Jihadi / derogatory US sentiment and ordered by Saudi Arabia back to the Kingdom for conduct unbecoming an officer.
2 x USMC SNCOs outside ran inside and grabbed a fire extinguisher to confront the shooter - subsequently were instrumental in rendering first aid to 8 x wounded until local law enforcement and EMS arrived.

Thanks. From minute 6:40 to 9:00 has the brief details of action in respect of the other Saudis.

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January 12, 2020
More Saudi military trainees to be expelled from US in wake of Pensacola base attack
As first reported by CNN, at least a dozen Saudi servicemen will be expelled from the US after a review following the deadly shooting at an Air Force base in Pensacola, Florida, in December.
Photo via @cnnbrk

The Twittverse is alive with tidbits on this.

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2 x USMC SNCOs outside ran inside and grabbed a fire extinguisher to confront the shooter - subsequently were instrumental in rendering first aid to 8 x wounded until local law enforcement and EMS arrived.

Semper Fi. Nice job, Marines.

Of note:
Apple, the company, refuses to assist Justice Dept to get phone data on two phones used by shooter. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 10662040)

The Twittverse is alive with tidbits on this.
Semper Fi. Nice job, Marines.

Of note:
Apple, the company, refuses to assist Justice Dept to get phone data on two phones used by shooter. :mad:

To dash unarmed into a gunfight isn't instinctive, but rather a calculated act of supreme bravery and selflessness.

“We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”
Winston Churchill.

21 expelled for making pro-jihadi posts on social media including 15 who also had child pornography - a real bunch of charmers.

https://news.yahoo.com/us-sends-home...195624861.html

do you have a full list of how many people were expelled from the course over say the last couple of years and why?

Huge developments from Attorney General & FBI Director briefing on US Fox News live now after being able to access data on damaged phones using own resources despite Apple refusing to co-operate - plot went back years - not radicalized while in US:

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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09 (Post 10786061)

From earlier in the thread:

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Originally Posted by Airbubba (Post 10634440)

Lone wolf, acted alone, no known ties to terrorism, isolated random act of violence etc. are the customary disclaimers in these incidents.

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Some background on the iPhone decryption:

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Apple refuses government’s request to unlock Pensacola shooting suspect’s iPhones

Published Tue, Jan 14 20209:05 AM EST
Updated Tue, Jan 14 202012:33 PM EST

Lauren Feiner

Apple continues to refuse Barr’s request that it help find a way for law enforcement to access encrypted devices with a court order, like the one Apple resisted in 2016 in the case of a shooter’s iPhone in San Bernardino, California. In that case, the point was dropped when the FBI was able to crack into the phone without Apple’s help, but the incident raised questions about the balance between civil liberties and public safety that have yet to be settled.

“We have always maintained there is no such thing as a backdoor just for the good guys,” Apple said in its latest statement.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/14/appl...s-iphones.html

I find Barr's recurring statements disingenuous. Apple gave them plenty of help. They can not "invent" a backdoor that did/does not exists. I understand there is a big push from law enforcement to get a permanent tap on all smart devices but we are not quite there... yet. Clearly in this (and many other cases), it did not really matter at the end.

Another random act of violence at a flight training base?

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UPDATED: FBI Now Investigating NAS Corpus Christi Shooting, ‘Arab Male’ Killed by Navy Security Forces

By: Sam LaGrone and Ben Werner

May 21, 2020 8:52 AM • Updated: May 21, 2020 11:42 AM

The FBI is investigating a Thursday shooting at a Texas naval air station, after a Navy security team there killed an “Arab male” who stormed a gate at the base, a U.S. official told USNI News..

NSF responded to an active shooter at NAS Corpus Christi at about 7:15 a.m. EST resulting in the injury to the NSF sailor. The shooter was killed by the NSF forces, the official told USNI News.

“The sailor is in good condition and is expected to be released later today,” the Navy said in a statement.

The base remains on lockdown while an investigation into the shooting commences.

An FBI spokeswoman did not provide additional details when contacted by USNI News.

“All gates on the installation remain closed while first responders process the scene,” according to a statement from the service.
“NCIS, state and local law enforcement are on scene.”

Corpus Christi police said the incident took place at one of the air station’s gates.

Naval Air Station Corpus Christi is home to the four squadrons of Training Air Wing Four, which uses Truax Field on base and outlying airfields. Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard and foreign student pilots train at the base.

Naval Air Station Corpus Christi also houses the Corpus Christi Army Depot which serves as the primary maintenance depot for Department of Defense rotary-wing aircraft. The U.S. Customs and Border Protection Service also operates from Naval Air Station Corpus Christi.

https://news.usni.org/2020/05/21/sho...er-neutralized

Airbubba, I have some sources on that.
This probably needs its own thread.
NAS Corpus Christi is also where CCAD is housed: there are about 4000 jobs, down from about 6,000 during the 00's/war years.
CCAD is part of what was once called "The Defense Industrial Base"
What is CCAD?
Corpus Christ Army Depot. They overhaul all of the Army's Helicopters: Chinooks, Apaches, Blackhawks, and until a few years ago, OH-58Ds. CCAD used to do Navy SH-60 Sea Hawks after the BRAC shut down NARF Pensacola, but the Navy got tired of the slow turn around time and went elsewhere.
What happened?
Someone tried to run the north gate at about 0615 local time.
Shots fired.
One perp apparently dead, one guard injured, and the FBI is now on this and there is a "second person of interest" ... Whatever that means.
Apparently, one of the perps own multiple properties in the area, all of which are being searched for explosives.
Nothing more at this time.
I'll wait until my Law Enforcement amigos in that part of Texas have a chance to breath out before I even think about asking any more questions.

An update from CNN on the Navy Corpus shooting.

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Texas Naval base shooter believed to have expressed support for terrorist groups online

By Dakin Andone, Barbara Starr, Hollie Silverman and Josh Campbell, CNN

Updated 10:28 PM ET, Thu May 21, 2020

(CNN)The deceased suspect in Thursday's shooting at Naval Air Station Corpus Christi in Texas was a 20-year-old male named Adam Alsahli of Corpus Christi, according to two law enforcement sources familiar with the ongoing investigation.

Alsahli drove to an entrance at the naval station and shot a security forces member in the chest, hitting the guard in her bulletproof vest and inflicting non-life-threatening injuries, according to one of the sources.

Alsahli then accelerated towards the gate entrance and crashed into a barrier. After exiting the vehicle, he began shooting, and was shot and killed by naval security forces.

Following the suspect's death, law enforcement bomb technicians cleared his body and vehicle, but found no explosive devices, one of the sources said.

A preliminary law enforcement investigation into the shooter has identified him as a US resident who was originally born in Syria, and likely a supporter of Salafi-jihadist ideology, according to one of the sources.

Officials have identified various social media accounts, which initial reports indicate are likely associated with the shooter, the source said. Online postings by these accounts expressed support for ISIS and Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the source said.

For now, federal investigators have not observed any claims of responsibility for the attack on online platforms used by terrorist groups, one of the sources said.

Although investigators have not currently discovered any information indicating Alsahli was inspired by, or connected to, the December 2019 terrorist attack on Naval Air Station Pensacola, one of the sources said this remains a key line of inquiry for investigators, especially due to the recent announcement by the Justice Department that the Pensacola shooter had terrorist ties.

FBI officials said earlier the shooting was terror-related.

Authorities previously said a shooter had been "neutralized," but there may be a second person of interest still at large, FBI Supervisory Senior Resident Agent Leah Greeves said during a short press briefing. The agent did not provide additional information.

FBI is leading the investigation

The base was put on lockdown after security forces responded to reports of an active shooter around 6:15 a.m. CT, according to the Navy.

The FBI is the lead investigative agency, according to a tweet from the bureau's Houston field office.

"All gates on the installation remain closed while first responders process the scene," the Navy said in its statement. "NCIS is en route, and state and local law enforcement are on scene."

Naval Air Station Corpus Christi has been home to Naval pilot training since 1941, according to its website.

From a LinkedIn profile of someone with the same name as the deceased:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2fe2174b0d.jpg