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Saudi Student Shooting at NAS Pensacola

Old 6th Dec 2019, 20:32
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Saudi Student Shooting at NAS Pensacola

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/06/florida-shooting-reports-pensacola-naval-base-latest

Florida naval air station shooter was Saudi student, says official


An aviation student from Saudi Arabia opened fire in a classroom building at the naval air station (Nas) in Pensacola, Florida, on Friday morning, a US official said, an attack that left three dead in addition to the assailant.

The assault was the second at a US navy base this week and prompted a massive law enforcement response and a lockdown at the base.

The student, who was fatally shot by a sheriff’s deputy, was a second lieutenant in the Saudi air force, said two US officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose information that had not yet been made public. The officials said authorities were investigating whether the attack was terrorism-related.

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11 others hospitalized - excellent reaction from both DoD security forces and the local Sheriff's department with the threat neutralized within minutes within a 2-storey aviator's classroom building - 2 of the deputies shot - non-life threatening injuries.

Shooter smuggled the weapon on base - firearms not allowed on base except for military / civilian security and law enforcement.
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FBI Update - late evening Dec 6:

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and at Pearl harbour.............

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/04/u...-shooting.html

A US sailor opened fire at the historic military base in Pearl Harbor on Wednesday afternoon, authorities said, killing two civilian workers and injuring a third before taking his own life.

The incident took place at the naval shipyard, just days before thousands were scheduled to gather at the storied military base to mark the 78th anniversary of the Japanese bombing that launched the US into the second world war.

The shooter was identified on Thursday as 22-year-old G Romero, according to a military official who spoke on condition of anonymity to provide details that had not been made public.

The names of the victims were not yet released. Rear Adm Robert Chadwick, the commander of Navy Region Hawaii, said he did not know the motive behind the attack, nor was it known if the sailor and the three male civilians had any type of relationship.

“We have no indication yet whether they were targeted or if it was a random shooting,” Chadwick said.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 12:58
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Fingers crossed the 2 Arabs filming the incident and not hiding whilst the shooting was going on will be found to be accessories and have their necks wrung.
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"Fingers crossed the 2 Arabs filming the incident and not hiding whilst the shooting was going on will be found to be accessories and have their necks wrung."

would you apply the same penalties to everyone who filmed the recent London Bridge Incident Vin?
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Fingers crossed the 2 Arabs filming the incident and not hiding whilst the shooting was going on will be found to be accessories and have their necks wrung.
Lone wolf, acted alone, no known ties to terrorism, isolated random act of violence etc. are the customary disclaimers in these incidents.
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Another bulletin from the Associated Press:

Official: Base shooter watched shooting videos before attack

By BILL KACZOR and BRENDAN FARRINGTON 12 minutes ago


PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) — A US official says the Saudi student who fatally shot three people at a Florida naval base had hosted a dinner party the night before to watch videos of mass shootings. The official was briefed by federal investigators and spoke on condition of anonymity. He says authorities tell him one Saudi student was recording outside the building while the shooting took place. He says 10 Saudi students are being held at the base and that several others are still unaccounted for.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE.

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It won't bring back those poor shooting victims but SA should be made to pay tons and tons of money to all the victims and victim's families. Who selected those guys for foreign exchange training?
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Who selected those guys for foreign exchange training?
After the 9-11 attacks who knew that Saudi flight students might be a problem?

As AFP observes:

The shooting marks a setback in the kingdom's efforts to shrug off its longstanding reputation for promoting religious extremism after the September 11, 2001 attacks in which 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis.


https://news.yahoo.com/saudis-distan...113700686.html
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After the 9-11 attacks who knew that Saudi flight students might be a problem?
We probably have some political disagreements, Bubba, but we agree on this: The Saudis are not our friends.

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Victims named and some additional information from a prepared statement by the CO.
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/12/08/navy-names-the-three-sailors-killed-in-pensacola-shooting-spree/
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In the flying school I was working at, the school had no say in who the Saudi students were, they were selected on their side of the puddle. Usually they had a daddy who was a colonel or a general, and one of the students was from the al-Saud family, but a long way down the line for the throne.

The majority were only there for the status of being in the military and the higher status of being a pilot. Passing the course was low on their list of priorities, compared to the delights of living here outside the sandcastle. Graduation presents from their families included the odd Ferrari.
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"Lone wolf, acted alone, no known ties to terrorism, isolated random act of violence etc. are the customary disclaimers in these incidents"

You're right Bubba - that's what they roll out whenever anyone goes crazy in the USA and shoots a bunch of innocents - they're nutters with a gun that's all
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At college in the US, I saw many students from abroad who seemed to fit in comfortably, being able to find friends and meaningful things to do, and a very few who remained mostly in their room, uptight, critical and distant. These latter were difficult to talk to, as if their real self remained hidden behind a screen or filter of their own 'superior' culture. Did their parents hope that by sending them abroad the experience might open them up, I wondered?

I suspect that the King will be wanting to know if there are any others like him in the Saudi Air Force. His kind of thinking is not looked kindly upon there.

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"Fingers crossed the 2 Arabs filming the incident and not hiding whilst the shooting was going on will be found to be accessories and have their necks wrung."

would you apply the same penalties to everyone who filmed the recent London Bridge Incident Vin?
If they were associated with the knife man, yes.
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If they were associated with the knife man, yes.
filming nutter on other side of street with knife is different to filming a guy who can easily choose you as the next target with a ballistic weapon. It allows for a certain degree of complicity, non?
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"It allows for a certain degree of complicity, non?" I'm baffled, honestly - are you saying they are accomplices (but be careful..... )
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FBI Update 8 Dec 19 - only the US Attorney and the SAC FBI Field Office Jacksonville spoke - nothing new apart from the following official confirmations:

- It has been classified as an act of terrorism.
- There was only one shooter whose identity was officially confirmed.
- All foreign students have been accounted for (there had been some fake news to the contrary).
- No Saudi students are in FBI custody - they have been confined to base by their CO - they are cooperating with the investigation.
- The firearm was a Glock Model 45 9mm and it was purchased legally (again contrary to fake news regarding foreign nationals not being allowed to purchase firearms - there must be some applicable exemption clause).

All other obvious questions were asked but the FBI SAC declined to answer due to the ongoing investigation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T4gYNgv_ew#t=23m07s

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