‘Fast jets’
 

Nice try, now go and have a lie down.

Or ME when many FJ had two engines and RW also, but ME was neither FJ or RW.

In initial pilot training however the Jet Stream was ME in contrast to the Hawk which was FJ. On graduating your pilot was either FJ, ME, or RW trained.

In other words the origin was the training system and not the operational type.

The Mk I Victor was certainly a "fast jet" once it got going, with many examples of it exceeding Mach one. However during its takeoff run and climb it was most definitely a "slow jet"!

Er Jet Provost?

My vote would have to be for the Boeing B-47 when it comes to "beauty".


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Basic trainer that enabled FJ/ME streaming.

If I recall BFT (or do I mean EFT?) was on the JP and were then streamed/chopped after aptitude was determined, going by the famous TV series of the early 80's of course (so I admit I could be wrong), Was the reason made to move away from the JP purely based upon age/maintainability of the a/c etc?

Flash, your last privacy age.

Garbled

It should have been your last point - age and maintainability.

I always thought that 'fast jet' was used for comms security. I remember when I was flying cross-country in UAS Chipmunks, we were told we must use the term 'single piston' when talking to ATC.

I bet that fooled the Russian 'trawlers'! :E

Stilton-
Second that . Now those WERE the days of Great Britain; Handley Page, English Electric , Hawker , Avro , Vickers , Blackburn etc etc......

Oh well , must be time for another G & T .

I42_ you were not alone. We were a 4-jet rather than a Vulcan. At the time the RAF had only 4 types of 4-Jet.

And rotary. I know; I went that route. (the cream always rises)

so incidentally does poo ;):O:}

One of the very fast jets was the VC10!

A Jaguar was a fast jet................. :E

Limited to M0.9 at low level if drop tanks were fitted. Could exceed it though.

Here we go...……………………..

Stilton......the early model B-52 Stratofortress (not necessarily fast or pretty but still hoofing it all these decades later) also started life with a canopy design that made it look very similar to the B-47.


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I stand corrected.

My display jet was totally clean apart from the outboard pylons, which marginally improved directional stability, which the jet started to run out of at high alpha.

The Buccaneer was a "Fat" jet.......

The Jaguar, if clean, was supersonic at low-level. I should know. Shall not say where though :)

The VC10 has gone supersonic, though in error. Crossing the Pond at speed with the Flt Eng off the flt deck, then passing thro a front resulted sometimes in a big change in temperature which resulted in s big speed jump. Though the mach warning horn would have sounded, unless of course a naughty man had pulled the cb.

Haven't done a recent search, but I believe the Jag may have had its roots in the Breguet 121, which ISTR was a potential bidder for the NATO light-fighter competition (Sabre replacement?) that was sort-of won by the Fiat G91. Sort-of, in that only the Germans, Italians and Portugese ever bought them. As usual, facts are probably all over the shop - DuckDuckGo is your friend (never touch G00gle meself...)

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sharpend wrote:
Oh really? That could only happen if someone was trying to maintain a constant TAS and failed to notice a change in OAT of around -57 deg C! Frankly I smell BS, I'm afraid! Try doing the IMN / IAS / OAT calcs, mate! What I suspect happened was that no-one was monitoring the IAS and the change in OAT across a front increased engine thrust, which caused the aircraft to accelerate, tripping the high speed warning horns...and probably the odd surge or few!

During Full Air Tests, I was authorised to take the VC10K2/3/4 up to (IIRC) M0.925. The airflow noise and buffeting, as well as the nose down pitch change at high IMN and the general handling, indicated to me that anything faster would have been very risky. The VC10 C Mk1 was cleaner, but even so I very much doubt that any RAF pilot ever went supersonic in a VC10!

She certainly was! With a clean wing Mk 2A and newish Speys she would reach M.95 or 620kts on arrival at a display back in the day. You had to be very sure that you kept the ball in the middle above 600kts.

Fighters, bombers, etc.
 

Most jets are fast (or vast).
Some are fighters, the majority are not.
Questions?

:) S / Ldr St**n 14 Sqn took me up to do aeros, nice experience as was flying in a Fuga.. incidentally we put some Jags up for the border opening if i remember correctly, but we were not there so to speak at the time, it was flag waving come hands off sort of detachment.... caused a few in RAFG and the UK to nearly have heart failure when they saw the impromptu flight on the news, good detachment, bar nearly stuffing the seven three into the rock trying to land in out of limits crosswinds, apparently the crash was sounded as they thought we were history. Night on the Algarve and back the next day, followed by several days of walking around smelling like I had been on the piss all day and getting pulled up more than once because of it due to the muppets smashing the litre of spirits in my bag that was on top of all my uniforms.