Crosswind landings
 

First, stow your camera?:E

CG

Obviously, it will be appropriate to the type. You finish with etc, but I guess you mean large aircraft generally? FWIW, the TriStar was approved by Lockheed for drifted or wing-down, up to 30kts x component in most conditions. However, RAF SOP taught wing-down. :)

OAP

VP,
Lockheed cleared either landing with drift applied or, wing down TD. "Kicking-off" drift is not a generally approved commercial transport technique. The wing down technique was approved with a limitation of 8 degrees of roll at TD, sufficient for a correctly applied aligned landing with 30kts across. However, the technique was not easy to master. Of course, A/L did it perfectly! And, so did some of us pilots! :ok: :D

OAP

TriStar 500 wing pod clearance is 2'11". Don't think an RAF TriStar pod was ever scraped, despite routinely working into windy places. :cool:

OAP

Yep. You try teaching it to a 150hrs TT Tyro! :eek:

OAP

Ahh ... the link finally worked ... I had deleted the original post!

A good bootful of rudder at touchdown [and afterwards!].

Retired BA/BY is wrong! :ooh: Are you incapable of reasoned dialogue? Who mentioned Boeing, VC10 or your crab? :)

OAP

Or Canberra's? :confused:

OAP

Where are you BA/BY? Do you want to slag a fellow CFS Flying Instructor again? Or, do you want to talk about flying aircraft TWICE the MTOW of your resume? :mad:

OAP

I thougt that the original question referred to current RAF teaching - not specific aircraft types. All my RAF career (Many types and QFI) was the "crab" technique. Seemed to work, still here after some 20k hours!
Bill

It was referrenced to large jets. Agree, my experience of Flying training and FJ was crab (drift corrected) to align in the flare. However, most decently large modern aircraft have approved operating standards that are very specific and are further defined by operator/company SOP's.
Would be glad to hear comments from other RAF big jet SOP's? :ok:

OAP

No. With a crosswind they will still experience aerodynamic Yaw forces into wind after TD. Large commercial aircraft have limiting structural strengths that have to define the landing technique. Many seem to certify the full drifted landing as the worst case. See video of X-wind certification landing tests.

OAP

Interesting. I would be interested what it says in your operating manuals under "Crosswind landings", or "Crosswind landing technique". Maybe you can explain what your A/L does? Cheers

OAP

Yes. :ok:

OAP

I once had to defend a TriShaw pilot who'd alarmed some REMF FJ Wg Cdr at MPA by 'large bank angles near the ground' on the final approach. Having spoken with ATC and obtained a tape, although the PAR was poorly flown, the final approach attitude was clearly due to the ex-Hercules pilot using the 'wing down' technique in the usual MPA crosswind, which was alien to this FJ Wg Cdr. In fact I'd been on board the TriShaw at the time and the landing seemed entirely routine from a passenger's point of view.

Anyone who 'kicks off' the drift or uses 'bootfulls' of rudder deserves a good kicking themselves! One merely aligns the aeroplane with the runway at the same rate which one uses to initiate the flare. Once down, into wind control column and forward pressure helps - although FBW aircraft may have some control laws of their own, I guess.

But if an A380 can cope with 40-50 kt crosswinds using the wing down crab technique, I'd have thought that pilots of smaller aircraft should also be able to manage the technique: