Scottish Income Tax
 

If the Scottish government raises income tax tomorrow will those servicemen and women posted to Scotland have to pay the higher tax?

Yes but there are exceptions. The following DIN has all the details;

2015DIN01-215

Those in the higher tax bracket already do - and have done for some time!!

I confess that it surprises me that more has not been made of this...or is there something I don't know?

tbh, retired and living in Scotland it does not really bother me paying a wee bit more tax, but I think it would if I was still serving.

Wade through this lot

https://www.parliament.uk/documents/...lesofunion.pdf

See if you've got a case.

Good Luck.

The Conservative MP for Moray, and therefore Lossiemouth, Douglas Ross is on this case and I'm sure he would be glad to hear from anyone, particularly those still serving, who have strong opinions on this. Contact details are available on parliament website.

What happens if you live on the English side of the border, are employed by a company headquartered in say London but do most of your work in Scotland?

Same goes but other way round?

Going to be a bit like the wee kranky putting additional tax on wines, beers and spirits....

It's all about your address. If I had the money I'd buy a block of flats in Berwick and rent them to Edinburgh high earners.

I’m fed up with the SNP! When are the Scots going to come to their senses and stop this nonsense?

probably when the English stop telling them what is good for them........

The SNP are set for a fall but their rise was due to the fact that Scots never felt that the UK Govt and especially the Tory Party , ever listened to their concerns.......

Maybe we should withdraw the Barnett formula! Then they have good cause to not feel part of the U.K.!

Could you be any more patronising?

Do you live in Scotland? If so you had your chance to vote. If you don’t , and I don’t believe you do, then why does it concern you?

The people of Scotland voted the SNP into power in democratic elections. At the next Holyrood elections the people of Scotland will decide who is fit to form the Scottish government, and quite frankly the way Brexit is been handled I would not be surprised if the SNP retained their mandate.

I would suggest that if you live or work in a particular country, then you pay the taxes that are due in that particular country. It's not difficult.

I don't remember paying German taxes all the years I was posted there, or paying no tax when on ops in some other countries.

Fair dos. My comment was a more general response to newt's references to the SNP and the Barnett formula.

As to UK forces in Scotland, I guess they'll just have to pay at the rate that has been decided for them.

I wish I could have paid Canadian taxes for the 3.5 years I was based there.

I bet guys on loan service in Oman wish they could have paid Omani tax whilst they were there too.

That’s not the case though. All people serving in foreign countries are still subject to UK tax.

Why should service in Scotland be any different?

BV

They are subject to UK tax (clue; Scotland is in the UK).

Clearly, the arrangements for all of the non-UK countries you list will not be the same as they will be for the UK country you name.

In the glory days when we were posted all over the world we paid our tax and national insurance at source, in UK. It had nothing to do with our address or where we worked, we were employed by the MOD and paid in Gloucester. The serviceman is paid to serve anywhere under standard contract conditions. When I worked as a consultant at Sabena Technics in Belgium in 2008 my salary was paid with UK tax and N.I. contributions deducted by the Agency here in UK and I was not subject to Belgian tax, it being the source of one's income that controls where tax is paid. For service personnel that source is not in Scotland. So to repeat, why should being posted to Scotland be any different?

Maybe it's not. Has anyone actually checked?

Yes. As it currently stands if you have an address in Scotland you pay Scottish rates of tax. As someone has already said this has resulted in higher taxes for those earning over £43000 for some time now since the threshold was not raised in Scotland when it was for the rest of UK. In fairness it should also be stated that your Scottish address also gets your kids free university tuition and your wife free prescriptions. Perhaps the service person should get the option to chose.

If you'd had a private address in Germany, Canada, or wherever when you were based there, would you not have paid tax in that country? I'm guessing you would have.

I don't think so. Certainly not in Germany.

Well, whatever the truth, like you say, it's swings and roundabouts...

But the point is the violation of the principle that wherever you are posted your tax situation remains the same.

I moved a round the world quite a bit whilst I worked for Raytheon.

The standard arrangement was that when I lived abroad the deducted the same amount from my UK salary as they would have for tax and NI whilst I was in the UK and paid my NI stamp fee. They provided details of one of their accountants in my country of residence who liaised with me and submitted my tax return. The bill was then paid by Raytheon. Once I had a local bank account set up I could nominate a set monthly amount and they would pay it into my bank account at a fixed rate and pick up the transfer costs (yes, if the rate was in my favour I could transfer back or forth on my own).

I can't somehow see MOD going along with all of that!

Just issue LOA.....:\

What will happen when someone refuses a posting on the basis of finance?

I can't see Manning being overly happy if a financial precedent were set. If they did it would potentially open the flood gates to a potentially wider range of issues which might tie their hands. For example, how many singlies are there doing the weekly commute and having to pay to live in whilst married colleagues are accommodated for free? Would they have a further claim if they weren't allowed to turn down a posting on financial grounds when somebody posted to Scotland could? Just a thought.

Whatever?!
 

Melmoth.

Come on you don’t get off that easily. As a Crown servant you pay UK tax wherever you are based in the world. The rate set by Westminster.

Why should living in Scotland be different?

The free tuition fees and prescriptions doesn’t wash for me.

Firstly, how many people are still serving when their kids go to university? Hardly a quid pro quo.

Secondly, families in Wales get free prescriptions and cheaper university education (for now at least). They don’t have to pay more tax for the privilege.

My comment was flippant but surely you see my point.

If I didn’t get the benefit of paying Canadian tax when I was based in Canada, why should I suffer (hypothetically since I don’t live in Scotland) the disadvantage of paying higher tax in Scotland?

Home ownership is irrelevant in my opinion.

BV

Could you be any more patronising?

Do you live in Scotland? If so you had your chance to vote. If you don’t , and I don’t believe you do, then why does it concern you?

The people of Scotland voted the SNP into power in democratic elections. At the next Holyrood elections the people of Scotland will decide who is fit to form the Scottish government, and quite frankly the way Brexit is been handled I would not be surprised if the SNP retained their mandate.

Yes I live in Scotland and voted to remain so maybe you would like to adjust your post Avionker!

Erm, this has stopped. If it hasn't, why the fudge am I paying?

I believe that a senior aircrew flt lt based in Scotland will be paying approximately £1k/yr more in tax than his/her equivalent based south of the border, when the next SNP iteration of tax demands is released. As someone who lives there, my council tax went up by 33% last year too!

This is all based on anyone who earns above £25k/yr and not claiming benefits being classed as rich and therefore they must pay more. Also, anyone who may have worked harder in life to afford a house in a council tax bracket above level C, is also a filthy capitalist b'stard who should be made to pay for it!!!

Interestingly though, during a not too distant overseas tour, my family had to pay for any medical treatment beyond that you would receive from the English NHS. When I pointed out that as a Scottish dweller, it would be free, the answer was 'tough sh1t - English rules apply'!

Watch this space for future refusals to be posted to Scotland based on the financial discrepancy.

Downsizer

Those without a marriage certificate (that is still valid), still pay accom charges, regardless of their domestic circumstances...

Those who are bone fide married and living away from home during the week, do not pay to live in.

Everyone now pays for the meals they eat as opposed to a monthly food charge.

I live in during the week and return to my marital home on the weekend. Off to admin tomorrow!

Oh dear, wrong side again Newt.

Wrong side of the border!!!

Is there a wrong side - Merry Cringe ;)

Fine, you live in Scotland, therefore it does concern you. Had you lived in Norfolk, which I thought you did, it would not.

The Scottish government were elected by the people of Scotland. Assuming you voted in the Holyrood elections you took part in the democratic process that saw the SNP elected. Obviously not the result you wanted but that’s democracy.

I think it’s safe to say that you feel that the democratically elected Scottish Government do not reflect your views and beliefs? Not a nice feeling is it?

That feeling of not been represented by the democratically elected government is what the majority of the Scottish people have suffered for years, with regards to the U.K. government. That is what brought the SNP to prominence in Scottish politics.

As to your point about voting to remain. Did I ask about that? No I didn’t.

It does puzzle me though why, as a resident of Scotland, you would suggest an end to the Barnett formula? If it is beneficial to Scotland it is beneficial to you surely? Seems a bit like cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. It might even lead to a rise in Scottish income tax rates...

I made the point about the Barnett formula to demonstrate how out of touch the SNP are with the Union! You may not have noticed that when Mrs May called her snap election, the only good thing to come from it was the large shift away from the SNP! Large areas voted Tory, especially along the borders where I live! They recognise the problems of the border should the SNP get their way!

Oh and I do have a house in Norfolk as well!