Originally Posted by Jackonicko
(Post 9895966)
Hardly - Qatar made it clear that they needed 72 new fighters to replace their 12 Mirage 2000s, and that they hoped to get three different types from three different suppliers.
Didn't know if the numbers of F15s ordered have been revealed, but the FMS request was for up to 72 - I'd assumed they were going for 24 Rafales and 48 F15s. Bit like the Saudis in the 80/90ss, buying F15s and Tornados. If one supplier objects politically to your use of aircraft, just use the ones from another supplier. |
Originally Posted by PDR1
(Post 9896142)
Who is BAe and what do they have to do with the Typhoon??
PDR |
Typhoon deal strengthens UK-Qatar Defence relationship
https://www.facebook.com/aerospacean...59920344214126 Major news sources judge Qatari Typhoon deal surprising – Aerospace Analysis & Insight was expecting it all along! https://www.facebook.com/aerospacean...59722900900537 |
Originally Posted by Davef68
(Post 9896573)
Didn't know if the numbers of F15s ordered have been revealed, but the FMS request was for up to 72 - I'd assumed they were going for 24 Rafales and 48 F15s.
Bit like the Saudis in the 80/90ss, buying F15s and Tornados. If one supplier objects politically to your use of aircraft, just use the ones from another supplier. 36 F-15QAs plus 36 options - this was the big surprise - as it wasn't 24 again 24 Typhoons plus undisclosed options That's 84 aircraft, when the total requirement was originally 72. Maybe they think they need 7 Squadrons, not just six? |
Major news sources judge Qatari Typhoon deal surprising – Aerospace Analysis & Insight was expecting it all along! Being Middle East focused Jackonicko, I guess you have a better insight into the vagaries of their thinking. |
I guess it is surprising as there is absolutely no operational value in fielding three almost identical (at least in terms of role) fighter types |
Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 9896589)
I guess it is surprising as there is absolutely no operational value in fielding three almost identical (at least in terms of role) fighter types, and neither is there any industrial value for Qatar.
Being Middle East focused Jackonicko, I guess you have a better insight into the vagaries of their thinking. Three different centres of decision making if Qatar does anything to provoke sanctions. Three lots of goodwill, invitations for exercise participation and training courses. And there are some subtle but important capability differences between the three aircraft - Rafale with its heavy precision stand off weapons capability and recce pod. F-15QA with a great payload/range capability. Typhoon may bring with it some Mission Data capabilities for the QEAF, as well as Meteor, Brimstone and Storm Shadow. |
Qatar's industrial capabilities are very limited, but three lots of offsets/participation, etc. will be better than one. Three different centres of decision making if Qatar does anything to provoke sanctions. Three lots of goodwill, invitations for exercise participation and training courses. If goodwill and training opportunities are the objective (and, as you say, Qatar needs to buy another country's kit to get these), then surely buy something that makes operational sense - like a frigate or some tanks. Why buy a third and superfluous fighter type? And there are some subtle but important capability differences between the three aircraft - Rafale with its heavy precision stand off weapons capability and recce pod. F-15QA with a great payload/range capability. Typhoon may bring with it some Mission Data capabilities for the QEAF, as well as Meteor, Brimstone and Storm Shadow. That said, under current planning the Typhoon is to get the same heavy precision stand off weapons capability and recce pod capability as the Rafale now has, so again why buy them both? And what does Qatar need with the F-15QA's increased range (and if range is important, they have MRTTs to extend the range of the Rafale or Typhoon). And the argument that money is no object to Qatar doesn't really hold either, as they could use that money to pay for the weapons integration rather than buy an unnecessary third fighter type. There is nothing logical about Qatar's decision to field three fighter types. |
Their perception is that the marginal extra cost is outweighed by the advantages.
That's logical. To them. And it was logical to Saudi when they bought F-15SA and Typhoon….. and Kuwait when they opted for Super Hornet and Typhoon. And arguably to Oman, too….. |
And it was logical to Saudi when they bought F-15SA and Typhoon….. and Kuwait when they opted for Super Hornet and Typhoon And arguably to Oman, too….. There is a reason all of these countries you cite have not procured three overlapping fighter types - it makes no sense to do so. |
Maybe they want an insight into the three main types likely to be deployed against them by their neighbours
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Maybe they want an insight into the three main types likely to be deployed against them by their neighbours |
Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 9897710)
Israel doesn't get invited to Red Flag because it flies Falcons and Eagles.
-RP |
Wrong. The Israeli AF has been invited to and flown both it's F-15s and F-16s in several Red Flag exercises... -RP |
Qatar exercise their option to purchase a further 12 Rafale, taking the total on order to 36.
https://globenewswire.com/news-relea...12-Rafale.html I heard the 24 Typhoons for Qatar are going to come from Approved Used stock (presumably ex-RAF), after an 'upgrade' and re-paint presumably. |
With a population of only 3M, are they going to find enough competent pilots?
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Of course. They'll employ the likes of me.
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Originally Posted by Speedywheels
(Post 9981908)
Qatar exercise their option to purchase a further 12 Rafale, taking the total on order to 36.
https://globenewswire.com/news-relea...12-Rafale.html I heard the 24 Typhoons for Qatar are going to come from Approved Used stock (presumably ex-RAF), after an 'upgrade' and re-paint presumably. |
BWOS are stating they will be new build, therefore keeping the production line trickling until 2024. Presumably they will also have the AESA radar also.
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Does anyone know which helmet(s) the pilots will be using for the jet?
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