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RAF " workman " helps himself.
RAF workman in Marham filmed stealing 1000mph TORNADO fuel | Daily Mail Online
Time to dump that can in your boot Hoskins ? := |
Waste fuel, the RAF were probably having to pay for it to be disposed off...... it wouldn't be doing his car a whole lot of good either, as AVTUR has no lubricants in it compared to diesel, it is just refined paraffin.
Coakley's vehicles were handed over to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs, including a seven and a half ton lorry, after he dodged paying tax I suppose arguing the toss that Aviation fuel is zero rated, so there would have been no tax to pay on it would not have gone down well. I know, once out of a jet it is then liable for taxes in certain conditions. .. |
I believe during WW2 it wasn't unusual for personal vehicles of aircrew to be fueled by 100 Octane!
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As fire officer at Seletar I was responsible for 45 gallon drums of time expired Avgas which we used to get given for fire practices. As an empoverished flying officer, with no flying pay, and still trying to live the Singapore high life, it was very tempting, but not a drop ever found its way into my old Zephyr - just not worth to save a few $.
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I use and have gallons of Avgas at work, would I ever put it into my car.... No, bar the fact it wouldn't like leaded fuel, the reasoning is the same as with aviation piston oils, they are designed to run in aircraft engines that have different seals etc and can screw up parts of your engine quite happily...
.. spotted the mistanke PDR1 ;) |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
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I suppose arguing the toss that Aviation fuel is zero rated, so there would have been no tax to pay on it would not have gone down well. I know, once out of a jet it is then liable for taxes in certain conditions. Even waste cooking oil becomes liable to tax if you put it in a vehicle |
Remember guys although some aviation fuels are zero rated tax wise, once out of the Aviation usage tax becomes payable on it for certain things.
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Years ago I went to a Shell seminar on the stuff, one fascinating thing came out, when producing Avgas if they couldn't make the cut, it would be blended into car fuel, however when they got rid of lead out of car fuel it couldn't be used, so they had to pay a specialist disposal company to burn it for them and remove the contaminants from the plant exhaust.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
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I use and have gallons of Avtur at work, would I ever put it into my car.... No, bar the fact it wouldn't like leaded fuel [...]
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Contam AVTUR......best motorcycle chain cleaner I've come across.
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Great for gliding Clubs
At Phoenix GC (Brüggen) 45 Gallon drum of waste Avtur +5 gallon can of waste engine oil = 50 gallons of diesel for cable retrieve Mercedes 180Ds (scrapped TUV failures) My children, 14 and 12, loved the competition to see who could get back up the taxiway to the winch before the glider dropped the cable. When a 180 died, we just pulled another one out of the shed.
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In my yoof and while working my way through college I took a job as a general labourer with a local building contractor, the painting team told me their last assignment was at a major docks and they were given an old Ford Anglia as a runaround due to the distances involved running from one location to another with all their gear. The painters discovered that not only could they run the car on the mysterious liquid they recovered from the huge bulk fuel tanker offload pipes, but that it now had performance levels approaching a Formula 1 car. When finally sent in for a service due to engine problems, the mechanic asked what the #@$# they had been running it on since the cylinder head was completely burned out and the engine was a total write off.
Moral of the story, cheap fuel isn't always cheap. |
I guess as the theft was an On and Off one for a couple of year, lets call it 'as required' he may have cut the avtur with diesel.
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I believe during WW2 it wasn't unusual for personal vehicles of aircrew to be fueled by 100 Octane! I knew someone who ran his car on Shackelton fuel for years and he claimed it didn't harm the engine one jot. |
When home just after the war, ran a 1931 Standard Big Nine (paid £165 for it, which is about what it would've cost in 1931).
WM 5733, where are you now ? "Pool" petrol was then strictly rationed (and pretty vile stuff, anyway). Found that my engine would run on a half-and-half mixture of this stuff and domestic paraffin (only 9d a gallon, and off ration). But only if it were warm.....what to do ?.....Solution: first thing in morning, take float chamber off carb (just two bolts), chuck out the ounce or so contents, refill with a bit of "Ronsonol" lighter fluid (any tobacconist), bolt float chamber back. Would start after a swing or two, by the time the Ronsonol had worked through, would keep running on Dannymixture. EDIT: Remember a yacht, the auxiliary engine had two tanks, you started on petrol and changed over to paraffin after a minute or two. Same idea. Policeman on Point Duty (remember them ?) would sniff suspiciously, but as everything on the road was emitting clouds of blue smoke, never challenged. But they were good days................... Danny. |
Yes, I remember tractors and combine harvesters starting on petrol but running on "TVO" which I believe was paraffin. Much later, I remember the married patch at Güt smelling of burnt AVTUR during cold spells! Hmmm.
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What do you think heated the Wyton swimming pool......
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What do you think heated the Wyton swimming pool...... I seem to remember it going in the bowser tanks during cold spells to stop the diesel waxing. |
What do you think heated the Wyton swimming pool...... |
Alternative fuels
Danny & others-
During those 'no basic' months spanning 1947-8, from time to time I ran my 350cc Royal Enfield on methanol; however, I was also entitled to a small ration of petrol on account of having to attend regular RAFVR training some miles away. To avoid having to drain and refill the tank – a risky procedure as methanol is an excellent paint stripper - I kept petrol in the bike's own tank, and mounted an auxiliary 'tank' of about one gallon capacity on the carrier which fed fuel to the carb via a syphon set-up and some sort of change-over arrangement (details now forgotten). It was also necessary to fit a larger main jet, which only took a few minutes, but was worth the trouble; not just for the increase in mobility, but the augmentation of power and torque was quite something! |
........after military police were tipped off that he was systematically stealing waste aviation fuel worth £660 from RAF Marham in west Norfolk....... |
I know of an RAF SNCO who was court martialled for disposing of "surplus" drumstock AVTUR directly into the central heating oil tank of his married quarter. He was totally blatant about it and unsurprisingly someone reported him to the RAF Police.
Shame the old 4 star petrol is no longer generally available as it was until only a very few years back from a small number of specialist suppliers in my area. My classic competition car's old tech engine much preferred it to modern super unleaded. I did some research and discovered that AVGAS "LL" still contains four times as much tetra-ethyl lead as four star did. The "Low lead" is only compared to how much it used to contain. For off-road competition use I sometimes added one gallon of AVGAS to four of super unleaded. Ran like a dream; it improved the knock resistance very well, so I was able to advance the ignition timing a few degrees and the torque improvement was quite noticeable. An old trick used by many amateur race car owners. The reason AVGAS should never be used in a modern car, even in small quantities, is because the products of combustion include lead salts which coat catalytic converters and lambda sensors, rendering them inoperative. |
One company I worked for were quite happy with the power cuts of the 70's because it allowed them to use contaminated avtur to run their standby generators. Not only did it save them the cost of disposal, they saved on the electricity as well. During the 3 day weeks they were able to operate full weeks too.
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I know of an RAF SNCO who was court martialled for disposing of "surplus" drumstock AVTUR directly into the central heating oil tank of his married quarter. He was totally blatant about it and unsurprisingly someone reported him to the RAF Police. |
Former colleague of mine was in the M.T. at Wyton in the mid '80's......ran his triumph gt6 on the stuff! He also borrowed the station coach or mini bus to move house....his mate in the M.T. drove him home for lunch in the Staish's staff car.....pennants flying. They were most amused when the S.W.O. threw one up as they passed! Left an M.T. 4 tonner outside his mum and dad's house in Bradford overnight during an impromptu overnight stop on his way down from Lossie I think? He was one extremely wobbly character who went on to become a big hitter in the Jehova's Witness's!!!!
Apologies for thread drift but it just makes you wonder what else goes adrift!! |
I moved my possessions from Norfolk to a now-defunct London station in a 4-tonner. It was logged as a training run for the experienced civvy driver ;)
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This guy won't have sought permission from anyone! Don't know how he got away with some of the stuff he got up to....and he was no bull sh*tter....had me in stitches!!!!!!! No wonder he found religion!!!!!
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I also did a stint working with HM Customs on the Ellesmere Port RFTU - their Road Fuel Testing Unit. Specifically they roam around looking for "red diesel" as used in farm machinery, and the back of the van is a mobile testing laboratory able to check for any number of tax free "extenders" designed to mix with regular fuel and thus deprive the crown of its shekels.
I wonder if they still have them - this was all many moons ago. |
Everyone in the 70's 80's and 90's used to to run their diesel cars off waste avtur (not me gov)
And bung it in their heating oil tanks also. Works the same, just smells like an aeroplane has just passed over. I know people in tank bays and pol who have retired with the millions they have made in waste avtur? (cue the daily fkwit mail alert) Also good for starting bbq's, they say? |
Works the same, just smells like an aeroplane has just passed over I remember we picked up a couple of Civi MT drivers on the way back from Germany with a Chevy estate or escort estate they had been sent out to return to the UK. We brought them back from Gutersloh in one hop in a Chinook, asking the driver what he was planning to do with the couple of extra days he now had off, he replied he planned to take the missus out somewhere nice to put the required miles on the car and to use up the fuel and accommodation monies they had given him for the trip back to the UK.... I hope they both had a good time. :E I also did a stint working with HM Customs on the Ellesmere Port RFTU - their Road Fuel Testing Unit |
Young and naive in 1963, I didn't give it much thought when on night shift the cpl told me to 'stand there and call me quickly if you see anyone coming' as he disappeared into the garage with a can. Now the power pack used to provide hydraulic pressure to the jacks used to load Vulcan bomb carriers was powered by a Ford 100E engine, so need I say more? When I cottoned on, night shift became a game of dodge the cpl. Anyway, my Norton took 4 star.
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Apparently, he wasn't the only one caught doing it, just the worst offender by a country mile and a number of other contractors found them suddenly unemployed.
One I remember was scandal that happened at a long closed radar station in Northern Ireland about a year before it closed. One day the boys in suits from P&SS NI descended on the station and closed the supply section for a couple of days. Next thing that happens is OC Supply is gone, OC Admin is gone and the Station Commander is gone. Due to the security situation, all of the white fleet vehicles were hired with NI registration plates and the station had a normal petrol pump to refuel them. Apparently the OC supply was selling it to the locals, along with normal red fuels and other items out of the supply sqn. The Station execs found out about it and tried to cover it up (The fact that OC Eng and Supply remained suggests he was all for nailing the individual). |
Christ, in the 90s Lyneham plod used to have palpitations if anyone was caught using blue bin bags for domestic rubbish.
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No diesel on Ascension in 82, we used a 99-1 mix of avtur and oil to run all the ground equipment. Worked OK.
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I did more tractor & winch hours than I care to remember, run on scrap AVTUR with the addition of some OM15 for diesel pump lubrication.
It does work. |
I was a member of the RAF Thornhill, 5 FTS (Rhodesia) gliding club back in 1952-53. We had a “Primary,” probably the most elementary form of flying machine then still flying; I’m sure the Wright Brothers would feel very much at home with it. Initial flights were flown in this "Primary" before eventually graduating to a "Tutor".
The tow truck was fuelled by high-octane fuel "milked" from the station's Harvards - so purloining fuel for leisure purposes, albeit for a sanctioned leisure activity goes back to 1952 at least. http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps056a0359.jpg My first six-foot above the ground flight in the "Primary" as it was dragged across the airfield by the tow-truck. Mind you the club still charged 1/- (5p) for each launch, probably charged to repair the tow-truck's engine valve-seals which didn't agree with aviation high octane fuel! WT |
AVTUR has no lubricants in it compared to diesel, it is just refined paraffin In recent years the quality of petroleum feedstocks used by refineries has decreased. This has necessitated the use of severe refinery processes in order to produce jet fuels of high thermal stability and cleanliness. Unfortunately these processes remove the compounds that are responsible for a fuel's inherent lubricity. As a result, fuel lubricated engine components are experiencing greater wear and mechanical failure. The incidence of lubricity related problems in commercial and military jet aircraft has increased over the past twenty years. This is a result of the need for more severe refinery processes to remove trace fuel species that adversely affect thermal stability and water removal by coalescence. These processes also remove trace polar species that are responsible for a fuel's inherent lubricity properties. In the late 1960s, it was serendipitously found that a pipeline corrosion inhibitor had a significant effect on lubricity enhancement. The additive's original intended purpose was to decrease corrosion to fuel handling systems and transfer lines. The additive is effective as a corrosion inhibitor due to its surface-active nature. The active ingredient in most corrosion inhibitors is a dimeric organic acid, usually dilinoleic acid (DLA). It is the surface-active nature of the dimeric acid that causes the corrosion inhibitor to be an effective lubricity enhancer. The use of a corrosion inhibitor as a lubricity enhancer is now required in all military JP-4 and JP-5 jet fuel. Unfortunately the additive can hinder water removal by coalescence. In other cases a fuel may have adequate lubricity initially and would preclude the use of the additive. Currently there is no lubricity specification for either commercial or military jet fuel. This has been due primarily to the lack of a test method; hence, the mandatory addition of the additive to assure adequate lubricity. |
run on scrap AVTUR with the addition of some OM15 for diesel pump lubrication. |
I know a camp where a petrol scam ran for x years!Collected on friday afternoons and put in your boot!!A rover 75 ran well on it ,no problems !Rule 1 dont bring back your empty AL-5 drums!!Rule 2 if your heard talking about it then the scheme is shut down!!A solo airman was caught and sent to Colchester for a while.
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When I was volunteered to be OC the station gliding club at an RAF station in East Anglia, since squaddified, we were permitted to use waste AVTUR in the winch and retrieve truck. Or so I was told - not that I bothered to ask for any proof.
One day I was over at the club when a Landrover turned up out of which hopped on of our members, who was a corporal on one of the flying squadrons. Spotting me, he said "Ah....Oh, Sir, Air Traffic have been on the phone to us, they've been trying to call you." I thanked him and went over to the clubhouse to use the phone..."No sir, it wasn't us", replied the ATC local assistant...."Nor us", said his colleague on the switchboard. As we were speaking, through the window I saw the corporal looking around rather shiftily, before removing certain green cans from the back of the Landrover, which he handed to his mate before driving back to his work. :hmm: On closer inspection a little later, I found that the empty cans were labelled OM15. But of course I hadn't seen them being delivered, had I - I'd been on the phone at the time...:\ |
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