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RAF workman in Marham filmed stealing 1000mph TORNADO fuel | Daily Mail Online
Time to dump that can in your boot Hoskins ?
Time to dump that can in your boot Hoskins ?
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Waste fuel, the RAF were probably having to pay for it to be disposed off...... it wouldn't be doing his car a whole lot of good either, as AVTUR has no lubricants in it compared to diesel, it is just refined paraffin.
I suppose arguing the toss that Aviation fuel is zero rated, so there would have been no tax to pay on it would not have gone down well. I know, once out of a jet it is then liable for taxes in certain conditions.
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Coakley's vehicles were handed over to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs, including a seven and a half ton lorry, after he dodged paying tax
I suppose arguing the toss that Aviation fuel is zero rated, so there would have been no tax to pay on it would not have gone down well. I know, once out of a jet it is then liable for taxes in certain conditions.
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As fire officer at Seletar I was responsible for 45 gallon drums of time expired Avgas which we used to get given for fire practices. As an empoverished flying officer, with no flying pay, and still trying to live the Singapore high life, it was very tempting, but not a drop ever found its way into my old Zephyr - just not worth to save a few $.
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I use and have gallons of Avgas at work, would I ever put it into my car.... No, bar the fact it wouldn't like leaded fuel, the reasoning is the same as with aviation piston oils, they are designed to run in aircraft engines that have different seals etc and can screw up parts of your engine quite happily...
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Even waste cooking oil becomes liable to tax if you put it in a vehicle
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Remember guys although some aviation fuels are zero rated tax wise, once out of the Aviation usage tax becomes payable on it for certain things.
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Years ago I went to a Shell seminar on the stuff, one fascinating thing came out, when producing Avgas if they couldn't make the cut, it would be blended into car fuel, however when they got rid of lead out of car fuel it couldn't be used, so they had to pay a specialist disposal company to burn it for them and remove the contaminants from the plant exhaust.
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Great for gliding Clubs
At Phoenix GC (Brüggen) 45 Gallon drum of waste Avtur +5 gallon can of waste engine oil = 50 gallons of diesel for cable retrieve Mercedes 180Ds (scrapped TUV failures) My children, 14 and 12, loved the competition to see who could get back up the taxiway to the winch before the glider dropped the cable. When a 180 died, we just pulled another one out of the shed.
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In my yoof and while working my way through college I took a job as a general labourer with a local building contractor, the painting team told me their last assignment was at a major docks and they were given an old Ford Anglia as a runaround due to the distances involved running from one location to another with all their gear. The painters discovered that not only could they run the car on the mysterious liquid they recovered from the huge bulk fuel tanker offload pipes, but that it now had performance levels approaching a Formula 1 car. When finally sent in for a service due to engine problems, the mechanic asked what the #@$# they had been running it on since the cylinder head was completely burned out and the engine was a total write off.
Moral of the story, cheap fuel isn't always cheap.
Moral of the story, cheap fuel isn't always cheap.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
I guess as the theft was an On and Off one for a couple of year, lets call it 'as required' he may have cut the avtur with diesel.
I believe during WW2 it wasn't unusual for personal vehicles of aircrew to be fueled by 100 Octane!
I knew someone who ran his car on Shackelton fuel for years and he claimed it didn't harm the engine one jot.
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When home just after the war, ran a 1931 Standard Big Nine (paid £165 for it, which is about what it would've cost in 1931).
WM 5733, where are you now ?
"Pool" petrol was then strictly rationed (and pretty vile stuff, anyway). Found that my engine would run on a half-and-half mixture of this stuff and domestic paraffin (only 9d a gallon, and off ration).
But only if it were warm.....what to do ?.....Solution: first thing in morning, take float chamber off carb (just two bolts), chuck out the ounce or so contents, refill with a bit of "Ronsonol" lighter fluid (any tobacconist), bolt float chamber back.
Would start after a swing or two, by the time the Ronsonol had worked through, would keep running on Dannymixture. EDIT: Remember a yacht, the auxiliary engine had two tanks, you started on petrol and changed over to paraffin after a minute or two. Same idea.
Policeman on Point Duty (remember them ?) would sniff suspiciously, but as everything on the road was emitting clouds of blue smoke, never challenged.
But they were good days...................
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WM 5733, where are you now ?
"Pool" petrol was then strictly rationed (and pretty vile stuff, anyway). Found that my engine would run on a half-and-half mixture of this stuff and domestic paraffin (only 9d a gallon, and off ration).
But only if it were warm.....what to do ?.....Solution: first thing in morning, take float chamber off carb (just two bolts), chuck out the ounce or so contents, refill with a bit of "Ronsonol" lighter fluid (any tobacconist), bolt float chamber back.
Would start after a swing or two, by the time the Ronsonol had worked through, would keep running on Dannymixture. EDIT: Remember a yacht, the auxiliary engine had two tanks, you started on petrol and changed over to paraffin after a minute or two. Same idea.
Policeman on Point Duty (remember them ?) would sniff suspiciously, but as everything on the road was emitting clouds of blue smoke, never challenged.
But they were good days...................
Danny.
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Yes, I remember tractors and combine harvesters starting on petrol but running on "TVO" which I believe was paraffin. Much later, I remember the married patch at Güt smelling of burnt AVTUR during cold spells! Hmmm.
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What do you think heated the Wyton swimming pool......
I seem to remember it going in the bowser tanks during cold spells to stop the diesel waxing.
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What do you think heated the Wyton swimming pool......
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Alternative fuels
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During those 'no basic' months spanning 1947-8, from time to time I ran my 350cc Royal Enfield on methanol; however, I was also entitled to a small ration of petrol on account of having to attend regular RAFVR training some miles away. To avoid having to drain and refill the tank – a risky procedure as methanol is an excellent paint stripper - I kept petrol in the bike's own tank, and mounted an auxiliary 'tank' of about one gallon capacity on the carrier which fed fuel to the carb via a syphon set-up and some sort of change-over arrangement (details now forgotten). It was also necessary to fit a larger main jet, which only took a few minutes, but was worth the trouble; not just for the increase in mobility, but the augmentation of power and torque was quite something!
During those 'no basic' months spanning 1947-8, from time to time I ran my 350cc Royal Enfield on methanol; however, I was also entitled to a small ration of petrol on account of having to attend regular RAFVR training some miles away. To avoid having to drain and refill the tank – a risky procedure as methanol is an excellent paint stripper - I kept petrol in the bike's own tank, and mounted an auxiliary 'tank' of about one gallon capacity on the carrier which fed fuel to the carb via a syphon set-up and some sort of change-over arrangement (details now forgotten). It was also necessary to fit a larger main jet, which only took a few minutes, but was worth the trouble; not just for the increase in mobility, but the augmentation of power and torque was quite something!