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NutLoose 14th Dec 2016 18:07

New trailer is out for Dunkirk.
 
Totally off topic I know, but what the heck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-eMt3SrfFU

Tankertrashnav 14th Dec 2016 23:10

Might be ok, but I'll miss John Mills and Dickie Attenborough :(

(Oh yes, and George Cole!)

Buster Hyman 15th Dec 2016 00:52

Lacks the pizzazz of Red Tails don't you think?

typerated 15th Dec 2016 05:26

Looks terrible to me.

Every scene over done and over acted.

Very American

57mm 15th Dec 2016 06:44

Thought it might be dodgy when I saw that Harry Styles from One Direction was in it.....

tartare 15th Dec 2016 06:55

Really???
Over done and over acted?
No stiff upper lips eh? :rolleyes:
I'll bet the evacuation was an absolute nightmare - and I'll bet there was plenty of overdoing and emotion!!!
I actually think it looks bloody good.
Those CGI Spits were flying a bit close in formation, but the wingovers were reasonably realistic.
The trailer certainly conveys some of the horror and terror...
I hope it'll be exactly the sort of thing to make an x-box generation appreciate what previous ones went through.
I'll certainly be sitting down with Tartarette to watch it.

typerated 15th Dec 2016 07:19

Taratare,

No I am not looking for stiff upper lip - far from it.

But people under immense stress don't react like this - far from it!

Dramatic music does not play in the background

messages like "hope is a weapon" don't pop up.

It verges on cringworthy in it's American style of storytelling and using scenes as a vehicle to pass messages.

Most of all though it screams fake - I don't believe I'm in Dunkirk I just think I'm watching crap actors following a crap screenplay.

ExRAFRadar 15th Dec 2016 08:42

Don't think it will be another 'Saving Private Ryan'

Hate to say it but I think it looks a lot like that other ridiculous film 'Pearl Harbour'.

muppetofthenorth 15th Dec 2016 08:43

It's quite amazing that you can totally and completely accurately judge a (most likely) 2 hour+ film by a barely 2 minute-long advert. That's a talent.

ExRAFRadar 15th Dec 2016 08:52

I know and thank you for pointing it out.
I'm available for pointing out how crap things are in a variety of fields and for a modest fee will happily judge without due consideration, expertise or even interest in the subject matter.

NutLoose 15th Dec 2016 08:54


Those CGI Spits were flying a bit close in formation, but the wingovers were reasonably realistic.
Ahhh yes, the CGI Mk1 Spitfires that are actually REAL..... :E:p

Dunkirk ? Filming the Aerial Scenes for the Epic Movie | Warbirds News

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=74081

tartare 15th Dec 2016 09:47

,,,even better!!!

ian16th 15th Dec 2016 10:31

Do they use the venue of our wedding reception?

They did in The Atonement!

BEagle 15th Dec 2016 11:29

Tankertrashnav wrote:

Might be ok, but I'll miss John Mills and Dickie Attenborough
Well, each to their own, but 19 year old Jenny Agutter rather did it for me in The Snow Goose* when it was first released....:ok:

* BBC TV movie, made in 1971, based on Paul Gallico's The Snow Goose: A Story of Dunkirk.

handsome goafer 15th Dec 2016 15:30

At least get the Union Flag the right way up; numpties

Pontius Navigator 15th Dec 2016 15:45


Originally Posted by handsome goafer (Post 9610473)
At least get the Union Flag the right way up; numpties

Which flag is upside down?

Pontius Navigator 15th Dec 2016 15:58

MotN, ExRAF has a perfectly valid opinion. A trailer is supposed to advertise and enthuse. If it does not achieve that it fails.

Then as far as pop up captions, I hope these are just part off the trailer.

I liked Warwick Ashton as the Battery SM as epitome of the cool British Army WO.

hoodie 15th Dec 2016 16:03

Just watched the trailer again, and the only Union Flag I could see was the one on the vehicle right at the beginning.

It's the correct way up.

Chris Scott 15th Dec 2016 17:03

Any chance they'll make the Buchon's engine sound less like a Merlin in the sound track?

Here's a video of the real thing, with the Daimler Benz DB 605 engine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUkBh7ehqCg

[start listening at 4;30 6;30 and 8:05]

Tashengurt 15th Dec 2016 19:11


Any chance they'll make the Buchon's engine sound less like a Merlin in the sound track?
I'd imagine they will. After all EVERYONE will notice the difference.

handsome goafer 15th Dec 2016 19:24

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Look at this flag, the one on the jeep is wrong. Look at the wide white bits, they should be at the top next to the flagpole.

sycamore 15th Dec 2016 20:04

If it is flown upside down ,it means `we are in distress`....fairly appropriate really..

Onceapilot 15th Dec 2016 20:15

The aircraft engine sounds in that clip seem to be a version of the Stuka siren, rather than any actual aero-engine sound. The Stuka siren sound would be appropriate for dive bombing attacks by Stuka's fitted with the siren, other aircraft would make their own distinctive sound and, we are lucky today because many of the original engines and aircraft are being flown and digital recordings exist.:ok: Strangely though, the engine of the Stuka (Junkers Jumo 211) is perhaps THE one you will not hear today as there are none flying, or even operating AFAIK.:sad:

OAP

DaveW 15th Dec 2016 20:55


Originally Posted by handsome goafer (Post 9610675)
Look at this flag, the one on the jeep is wrong. Look at the wide white bits, they should be at the top next to the flagpole.

The problem seems to be not simply that it's upside down, but that it's being hoist from the fly - that is, the flagpole is on the incorrect side of the flag.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/..._UnionFlag.jpg

Pontius Navigator 15th Dec 2016 21:12

No, looking at the flag on the Beetle wagon something is clearly wrong. The cross is not truely crossing so whatever way it is flown will always have the thicker white band on top.

NutLoose 15th Dec 2016 21:17

Flag is the right way up and the pole is on the correct side, thick white band to the top at the pole, it's probably because it's blowing away from you that it looks odd, and even if it was upside down, that was a naval signal for distress and you couldn't get more in distress then the BEF in 1940.

tartare 15th Dec 2016 21:27

Well - if it gets my two kids asking their teachers more about Dunkirk - then it's done it's job as far as I'm concerned.
Even better if they can come back and point out the inaccuracies.
The three of us watched The Aviator last night.
Dramatic Hollywood shtick - but lots of questions afterwards about Hughes, whether the Goose actually flew, the XF-11 - and how he ended his days.
Use any means to get them interested I say.
One of the best series we saw recently was `WW2 from Space' using computer graphics and satellite imagery to illustrate the truly global nature and enormity of the conflict.

Fonsini 16th Dec 2016 01:31

Anything that recognises the spirit of those civilians who sailed across the Channel in tiny pleasure boats each to rescue a handful of soldiers is ok in my book.

Now if the film shows cowardice, selfishness, and soldiers turning on each other to get a place in a boat - then it's pitchforks and burning torches time as far as I'm concerned.

It was so close to being over for us at that moment, and we were alone....

Tankertrashnav 16th Dec 2016 09:55

I was once privileged to own a DSM and bar, one of only 153 awarded during WW2. The medal was awarded to a rating who was placed in charge of a boat which was lowered from a warship, and which then made several return trips to the beach to rescue waiting troops, all the time under air attack. The bar was awarded for the unsuccessful attempted rescue of the 51st Highland Division at St Valery a week or so later, when the boat commanded by the same rating had to withdraw after coming under heavy fire from the cliffs overlooking the port.

Just two examples of hundreds of acts of heroism during the evacuation, many of which would have gone unwitnessed and unrecognised. Let's hope the film concentrates on them

muppetofthenorth 16th Dec 2016 13:33


Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav (Post 9611154)
Just two examples of hundreds of acts of heroism during the evacuation, many of which would have gone unwitnessed and unrecognised. Let's hope the film concentrates on them

Going by the trailer, it looks like that's the kind of role given to Mark Rylance. They wouldn't get an actor of that calibre in unless they were prominent.

MightyGem 16th Dec 2016 15:58

Re the flag in the trailer. The upper left quadrant(as shown in the above screenshot) is correct with the broad strip at the top. However, the lower left quadrant is incorrect. The broad strip in that should also be on the top, as in handsome gofers's photo. The top right quadrant is also incorrect as well. Check it with HG's photo.

Someone's made a gash job of making the flag.:ugh:

mr fish 16th Dec 2016 18:46

some of the best acted war films of the past few years have come from eastern Europe.
of course subtitled and usually sporting wildly inaccurate picture covers...german leopard tanks and hawker seafurys pop up regularly.

because of the niche audience these movies attract in the west, they can often be found in your local poundshop.

KATYN is well worth looking out for...a polish film with a particularly anti Russian slant concerning the katyn forest massacres.

much better than the dreck produced lately in the "west".

FISH.

Tankertrashnav 16th Dec 2016 23:01


Going by the trailer, it looks like that's the kind of role given to Mark Rylance
Except that at 56 (and not a youthful looking 56) Rylance is way too old for that sort of role - by 25 years at least. However this is often the case with war films - even the excellent Battle of Britain had some distinctly elderly actors playing fighter pilots, when at the time 30 was regarded as "over the hill". Michael Caine was 35, Christopher Plummer 39 and Robert Shaw was 41 - but I suppose its wonderful what you can do with makeup!

ExRAFRadar 17th Dec 2016 08:15

And the award for spotter of the year goes to:

"Any chance they'll make the Buchon's engine sound less like a Merlin in the sound track?"

As one who, as a youngster, listened to LP recordings of aircraft engines I applaud you. :D

muppetofthenorth 17th Dec 2016 08:20


Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav (Post 9611943)
Except that at 56 (and not a youthful looking 56) Rylance is way too old for that sort of role - by 25 years at least. However this is often the case with war films - even the excellent Battle of Britain had some distinctly elderly actors playing fighter pilots, when at the time 30 was regarded as "over the hill". Michael Caine was 35, Christopher Plummer 39 and Robert Shaw was 41 - but I suppose its wonderful what you can do with makeup!

Well, depends which acts of heroism it is you're talking about.
It's looking like he's playing a civilian with a boat going to help out in the evacuation - I wasn't aware there was an age limit for those people?

pr00ne 17th Dec 2016 12:22

Fonsini,

Just great! So as long as historical and unpalatable truth is brushed out and replaced with heroic sham you are happy?

Yep, we were truly alone in 1940, just us as the largest Empire that the world had ever known against ONE European power...

Herod 17th Dec 2016 12:36

pr00ne. Yes, we had a big Empire. Just how long do you think it would have taken to get the troops and equipment from Canada, India, Australia, NZ etc, as opposed to Hitler being just across the Channel? Don't forget, if we had lost the B of B, the USA would not have had the big offshore aircraft/troop carrier in place, D Day wouldn't have happened, and then where would we be?

pr00ne 17th Dec 2016 12:41

Herod,

Undoubtedly those months in 1940 were absolutely critical and we were at our most vulnerable. One can make a valid case that we were saved as much by Hitler and Goerings blunders as the outcome of the Battle of Britain.

But let's not have any of this "poor little England stood all alone" nonsense. We had massive resources both material and financial, but your point about those 1940 months remains valid.

Buster Hyman 17th Dec 2016 12:50


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 9612422)
and then where would we be?

Ich weiß es nicht!

Chris Scott 17th Dec 2016 13:10

Quote from ExRAFRadar:
And the award for spotter of the year goes to:
"Any chance they'll make the Buchon's engine sound less like a Merlin in the sound track?"
As one who, as a youngster, listened to LP recordings of aircraft engines I applaud you.


Thanks! Some of us never completely grow up, so I still find myself tumbling out of the house at the first murmuring of approaching Gypsy Queens, Twin Wasps, Merlin(s), Centaurus, etc., not to mention Chinook rotors. But I don't think I'd recognise a DB 605.

My comment was based on memories of being slightly disappointed by the Battle of Britain film soundtrack (1969). Visually, of course, it would take CG to disguise the Buchon's classic Merlin nose. And I'm not generally a fan of CG.


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