Public Interest Lawyers/Phil Shiner
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Well, lets hope he is done for fraud, perverting the course of justice and anything else that can be dredged up. Then MoD should sue him on behalf of the military personnel he has persecuted, and then.....
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Its another hole in the reputation of the legal profession, who I admit get lower in my estimation as I get older.
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Quite so.
Here is more arrogance: The historic Brexit legal challenge has drawn to a close with a reminder from the Supreme Court that it will not "overturn the result of the EU referendum". As if! |
Some of the comments on the site sum it all up.
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Nothing appears to have changed though. The PSNI decided yesterday to investigate every single serviceman who was involved in a fatal incident in NI.
Yep, every single serviceman in every single event, even if there is overwhelming evidence showing absolutely no wrongdoing, even where no formal complaint exists and even when servicemen were injured or killed during the same incident. Somehow the word 'serviceman' has become interchangeable with 'suspect'. It should never be the case where serving in the armed forces is justification enough to be detained and questioned under PACE. |
The PSNI decided |
Nothing appears to have changed though. The PSNI decided yesterday to investigate every single serviceman who was involved in a fatal incident in NI. |
Clearly not enough crime to occupy the PSNI.
And the lawyers must need another holiday somewhere exotic. |
Want to examine every single serviceman who was involved in a fatal incident in NI, do they? Well, they should examine Paul Burns.
Newly recruited to the Parachute Regiment, Paul was 18 years old and performing a tour of duty in Northern Ireland when a four-ton truck he was travelling in was destroyed by an IRA bomb. Both his legs were smashed and burnt to the bone. His right leg was barely spared but his left leg was amputated below the knee. Those who saw him wondered if it might not be kinder to let him die. Paul had always been in pain – “it’s just a matter of how much” (FOLLOWING his injuries): He spent six years as a member of the Red Devils Parachute display team, completed the BT Global Challenge Round the World Yacht Race on “Time & Tide” the first all disabled race around the world. skippering a 65 foot yacht with an all amputee Blesma crew on the tough Fastnet offshore sailing race Paul Burns, 52, a true Blesma hero and an injured survivor of Warrenpoint 1979, died suddenly in a hospital in Berkshire on Friday 7th June (2013). He was recovering from a broken leg, suffered whilst participating in the 52 mile 3 Counties Bike Ride the previous weekend. his autobiography ‘A Fighting Spirit’. . . . a true story modestly told and extremely inspirational. Well, at least the Crown Office/PSNI can't get Paul Burns now. |
How about investigating every MILITARY fatality.......nauseating, absolutely nauseating!
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Lets just face it the Judiciary, Politicians and most of the general public have no clue as to how the military operate. We all had a pathetic belief that when doing the bidding of our Lords and masters we could operate in accordance with their instruction, our training and ethos. WRONG.
Lawyers, politicians et al should hang their heads in abject shame. Disgusted. |
It's a shame, considering all the non-public regimental institutions in existence, that a co-ordinated project to bring civil cases against the perpetrators of military murders has not been organised. I'm pretty sure that a crowd-funding venture would be quite successful and I would love the irony of using civil rights lawyers to prosecute pardoned terrorists, rather than the troops and police that society hid behind at the time.
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Former soldiers to be prosecuted for IRA man's murder - BBC News
Two former soldiers are to be prosecuted for murder in relation to the fatal shooting of an Official IRA man in Belfast in 1972. They are from England, but are expected to appear in court in Northern Ireland in the next few months. Isn't that carrying out their orders? Why would anyone join the mil when meally mouthed pollies hang them out to dry for doing what they are trained to do? Spare me the "Ich vas only obeyink orders!" stuff. |
This comes to mind. God bless all who serve, it's a thankless task.
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Megan,
Er, you do realise what that fictional speech is attempting to defend don't you? The only point it makes is the totally deluded attitude of those in uniform who think that they have a right to unjustified, pointless, cold blooded murder. |
I have yet to meet anyone in the military who thinks they have the right to commit unjustified, pointless, cold blooded murder. Indeed, such actions are much more common in civilian life than in the military.
When it comes to operations, the number I have served with in testing and demanding environments who have chosen not to fire a single shot is legion. The VSOs use the phrase 'courageous restraint' but the informal 'scared restraint' is also apt. Coping with and managing those who have been exposed to or had to make the ultimate decision is not easy either and in all the conflicts I have served in the decision not to escalate to lethal force has outstripped the decision to do so by many orders of magnitude. |
Pr00ne,
After 37 years in service, I also have never met anyone with the outrageous attitude you describe. You obviously don't even have a clue about UK military discipline, ethos or anything else. Goodbye |
Pr00ne,
As you obviously dislike the military so much (evidence your ramblings on at least two sites now) I don't understand why you are on a mainly military site unless it is purely to be a total PITA (which you doing really well). |
PIL
About three years ago on this forum I suggested that PIL had crossed the line from seeking redress for their clients to the hounding of servicemen that had become harassment all financed by public money.
These posts quickly vanished from the forum no doubt for fear the very sharp Mr Shinner would go after the website owners in court. Now I think it is time for those who have been harassed over the years to take PIL's prime movers to court, justice would be served very well if those who ran PIL found themselfs on the thick end of leagal action to remove them from the money they took from the public purse, the prime mover in PIL has already admitted wrong doing so it should not take too much work to extract damages in court. |
MODS,
Cut this Pr00ne out of this site , he is only using it to cause hurt to the military, their family and friends. Maybe his name is really pr00tin? |
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MACH2NUMBER, actually Comrade pr00ne did serve in the RAF. As he himself wrote on 9 Nov 2004:
Yep, I consider myself to have been a pretty useful asset, fairly accomplished Flt Lt, and I was considered a useful F-4 front seater even if I was only ever a Sqn shag. I did 2 tours cr FJ, how many did you do? As to jacking it in, well, I got a bit fed up of living in an organisation that had Medieval class distinctions, wouldn’t let me grow my hair long (it was the mid 70’s after all!) didn’t like the fact I wanted to have a separate social life from the OM and had absolutely no interest in secondary duties. So I went, and not quietly! BTW, I’m a Barrister, not a “commercial lawyer” look it up in a dictionary…………….. His report will make interesting reading next month! Although MoD probably won't like it...:hmm: |
Nutloose
There is a gravy train here for those who run these witch hunts and all with a sorce of money that is sure to pay up.
There is little wonder that someone who wants to stop their cushy little number of harassing innocent and leagaly defenceless servicemen is bound to incur the wrath on these vermin. |
BEAGLE,
Thanks, the info provided by Pr00ne in 2004 says it all. I am sure the RAF are relieved he left to become a professional "barrack room lawyer." |
Pr00ne, I think the word is actually "barista" you've obviously confused the two, or should that be bar steward.......
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Some interesting but simple complaints there.
I got a bit fed up of living in an organisation that had Medieval class distinctions. Isn't that just the chain of command you find in all large organisations? wouldn’t let me grow my hair long C'mon, did you ever think that you'd be permitted to appear any way you wished? You should have been a French hussar of the 18th/19th c who wore braids of hair hanging on either side of the face. I wanted to have a separate social life from the OM Easy, move out and socialise with civillian neighbours. (Wish I'd done that much earlier than I did) had absolutely no interest in secondary duties Ha ha, 's wot you signed up for. I was OC Sub-aqua club; it was great getting indulgence travel to Malta and Mauritius on diving expeditions. OO & SDO didn't come around too often. Anyway, you had the skill and application to make FJ. Sounds like you should be very glad to have served in HM forces and you'll always have those memories. |
Basil,
Very astute comments observations. However, your last sentence detracts from many of the fine people who had the skill and application to make FJ and are glad of their experience. In 6 FJ tours I have only met 2 like Mr P, but as they say, there is always one cuckoo in the nest. |
Originally Posted by Geordie_Expat
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Pr00ne,
As you obviously dislike the military so much (evidence your ramblings on at least two sites now) I don't understand why you are on a mainly military site unless it is purely to be a total PITA (which you doing really well). |
your last sentence detracts from many of the fine people who had the skill and application to make FJ |
Must have been a great wrench to leave the RAF with its medieval class distinctions to join a modern organisation that wears wigs and gowns, and to call people m'lud and my learned friend.
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I got a bit fed up of Did a barrister write that? Clearly, command of the English language is no longer a requirement. |
This is not JetBlast.
Opinions can and should be discussed, personal abuse betrays the poster's lack of cogent, constructive argument. |
This pr00ne is clearly a troll; nothing annoys a troll more than being ignored. Please copy.
I well remember visiting my friend Capt. John Gerelli and his C Coy 2 Queen's who were stationed on the Lower Falls Road in Belfast when the Army went in aid of the civil power on August 17 1969. As in Derry/Londonderry a few days before, the troops successfully separated the warring factions and were welcomed by the communities they had gone to protect. I was pleased to see the locals bring out another tray of tea and buns for the troops who had been on street duty for 38 hours non-stop, but John told me not to kid myself. "They're glad to see us now, but in six months we'll end up being pig in the middle. We always do." How right he was ... |
"They're glad to see us now, but in six months we'll end up being pig in the middle. We always do." |
Er, you do realise what that fictional speech is attempting to defend don't you? The only point it makes is the totally deluded attitude of those in uniform who think that they have a right to unjustified, pointless, cold blooded murder. pr00ne is offline Report Post Surely unless someone has marched unarmed inoffensive civilians to line up along a wall then shot them all dead, certainly to be the individual giving the orders to the firing squad is one thing, but where Soldiers have been confronted by such a slippery enemy as the IRA are entitled to the benefit of the doubt? I may be taking, in your view certainly, a simplistic line. But what more do you expect, and I'll say it, from predominantly young men between 18 and 20 something, who have opened fire in the most testing circumstances. Young men of course who in all likelihood have not the aptitude and mental application to pursue the level of study which you clearly have, in order to reach a standard of understanding of the law that they may be trusted to take years so many years after the event, in order to pick over the exact rights and wrongs of a single shot fired in anger which in the horrendous NI situation saw soldiers effectively on a war footing governed by a legal system which was at peace. British Governments of both the mainstream left and right have seen fit to place those young men in the middle of those circumstances, some are more cerebral than others, but still have to act in seconds rather than deliberate over years before squeezing the trigger or not. When you were toting the Nuclear Bomb on the centre line of your F-4 after being scrambled, at what point would you have started to wonder whether you were justified in proceeding to toss it toward the middle of East Germany, think of the circumstances conjured up in the film 'Fail Safe'! Or Dr Strangelove if it is more familiar.:ok: FB:) |
Phil's got a Shiner from the Law Society (or whatever) and has been struck off. Aint payback a bitch?
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