Public Interest Lawyers/Phil Shiner
Well, lets hope he is done for fraud, perverting the course of justice and anything else that can be dredged up. Then MoD should sue him on behalf of the military personnel he has persecuted, and then.....
Quite so.
Here is more arrogance:
The historic Brexit legal challenge has drawn to a close with a reminder from the Supreme Court that it will not "overturn the result of the EU referendum".
As if!
Here is more arrogance:
The historic Brexit legal challenge has drawn to a close with a reminder from the Supreme Court that it will not "overturn the result of the EU referendum".
As if!
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Some of the comments on the site sum it all up.
Nothing appears to have changed though. The PSNI decided yesterday to investigate every single serviceman who was involved in a fatal incident in NI.
Yep, every single serviceman in every single event, even if there is overwhelming evidence showing absolutely no wrongdoing, even where no formal complaint exists and even when servicemen were injured or killed during the same incident.
Somehow the word 'serviceman' has become interchangeable with 'suspect'. It should never be the case where serving in the armed forces is justification enough to be detained and questioned under PACE.
Yep, every single serviceman in every single event, even if there is overwhelming evidence showing absolutely no wrongdoing, even where no formal complaint exists and even when servicemen were injured or killed during the same incident.
Somehow the word 'serviceman' has become interchangeable with 'suspect'. It should never be the case where serving in the armed forces is justification enough to be detained and questioned under PACE.
The PSNI decided
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Nothing appears to have changed though. The PSNI decided yesterday to investigate every single serviceman who was involved in a fatal incident in NI.
Clearly not enough crime to occupy the PSNI.
And the lawyers must need another holiday somewhere exotic.
And the lawyers must need another holiday somewhere exotic.
Want to examine every single serviceman who was involved in a fatal incident in NI, do they? Well, they should examine Paul Burns.
I've just attended a lecture by a retired BA captain who sailed on that BT Global Challenge. What it doesn't say in the eulogy was that they were doing this the 'wrong' way - down to The Horn and turn right into the 'Roaring Forties'. One day they had Phenomenal Seas with 14 m waves.
Well, at least the Crown Office/PSNI can't get Paul Burns now.
Newly recruited to the Parachute Regiment, Paul was 18 years old and performing a tour of duty in Northern Ireland when a four-ton truck he was travelling in was destroyed by an IRA bomb.
Both his legs were smashed and burnt to the bone. His right leg was barely spared but his left leg was amputated below the knee. Those who saw him wondered if it might not be kinder to let him die.
Paul had always been in pain – “it’s just a matter of how much”
(FOLLOWING his injuries):
He spent six years as a member of the Red Devils Parachute display team, completed the BT Global Challenge Round the World Yacht Race on “Time & Tide” the first all disabled race around the world.
skippering a 65 foot yacht with an all amputee Blesma crew on the tough Fastnet offshore sailing race
Paul Burns, 52, a true Blesma hero and an injured survivor of Warrenpoint 1979, died suddenly in a hospital in Berkshire on Friday 7th June (2013). He was recovering from a broken leg, suffered whilst participating in the 52 mile 3 Counties Bike Ride the previous weekend.
his autobiography ‘A Fighting Spirit’. . . . a true story modestly told and extremely inspirational.
Both his legs were smashed and burnt to the bone. His right leg was barely spared but his left leg was amputated below the knee. Those who saw him wondered if it might not be kinder to let him die.
Paul had always been in pain – “it’s just a matter of how much”
(FOLLOWING his injuries):
He spent six years as a member of the Red Devils Parachute display team, completed the BT Global Challenge Round the World Yacht Race on “Time & Tide” the first all disabled race around the world.
skippering a 65 foot yacht with an all amputee Blesma crew on the tough Fastnet offshore sailing race
Paul Burns, 52, a true Blesma hero and an injured survivor of Warrenpoint 1979, died suddenly in a hospital in Berkshire on Friday 7th June (2013). He was recovering from a broken leg, suffered whilst participating in the 52 mile 3 Counties Bike Ride the previous weekend.
his autobiography ‘A Fighting Spirit’. . . . a true story modestly told and extremely inspirational.
Well, at least the Crown Office/PSNI can't get Paul Burns now.
Lets just face it the Judiciary, Politicians and most of the general public have no clue as to how the military operate. We all had a pathetic belief that when doing the bidding of our Lords and masters we could operate in accordance with their instruction, our training and ethos. WRONG.
Lawyers, politicians et al should hang their heads in abject shame. Disgusted.
Lawyers, politicians et al should hang their heads in abject shame. Disgusted.
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It's a shame, considering all the non-public regimental institutions in existence, that a co-ordinated project to bring civil cases against the perpetrators of military murders has not been organised. I'm pretty sure that a crowd-funding venture would be quite successful and I would love the irony of using civil rights lawyers to prosecute pardoned terrorists, rather than the troops and police that society hid behind at the time.
Former soldiers to be prosecuted for IRA man's murder - BBC News
Politicians send military personnel to do police work; a member of a hostile arrmy is shot.
Isn't that carrying out their orders?
Why would anyone join the mil when meally mouthed pollies hang them out to dry for doing what they are trained to do?
Spare me the "Ich vas only obeyink orders!" stuff.
Two former soldiers are to be prosecuted for murder in relation to the fatal shooting of an Official IRA man in Belfast in 1972.
They are from England, but are expected to appear in court in Northern Ireland in the next few months.
They are from England, but are expected to appear in court in Northern Ireland in the next few months.
Isn't that carrying out their orders?
Why would anyone join the mil when meally mouthed pollies hang them out to dry for doing what they are trained to do?
Spare me the "Ich vas only obeyink orders!" stuff.
Megan,
Er, you do realise what that fictional speech is attempting to defend don't you?
The only point it makes is the totally deluded attitude of those in uniform who think that they have a right to unjustified, pointless, cold blooded murder.
Er, you do realise what that fictional speech is attempting to defend don't you?
The only point it makes is the totally deluded attitude of those in uniform who think that they have a right to unjustified, pointless, cold blooded murder.
I have yet to meet anyone in the military who thinks they have the right to commit unjustified, pointless, cold blooded murder. Indeed, such actions are much more common in civilian life than in the military.
When it comes to operations, the number I have served with in testing and demanding environments who have chosen not to fire a single shot is legion. The VSOs use the phrase 'courageous restraint' but the informal 'scared restraint' is also apt.
Coping with and managing those who have been exposed to or had to make the ultimate decision is not easy either and in all the conflicts I have served in the decision not to escalate to lethal force has outstripped the decision to do so by many orders of magnitude.
When it comes to operations, the number I have served with in testing and demanding environments who have chosen not to fire a single shot is legion. The VSOs use the phrase 'courageous restraint' but the informal 'scared restraint' is also apt.
Coping with and managing those who have been exposed to or had to make the ultimate decision is not easy either and in all the conflicts I have served in the decision not to escalate to lethal force has outstripped the decision to do so by many orders of magnitude.
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Pr00ne,
After 37 years in service, I also have never met anyone with the outrageous attitude you describe. You obviously don't even have a clue about UK military discipline, ethos or anything else.
Goodbye
After 37 years in service, I also have never met anyone with the outrageous attitude you describe. You obviously don't even have a clue about UK military discipline, ethos or anything else.
Goodbye
Pr00ne,
As you obviously dislike the military so much (evidence your ramblings on at least two sites now) I don't understand why you are on a mainly military site unless it is purely to be a total PITA (which you doing really well).
As you obviously dislike the military so much (evidence your ramblings on at least two sites now) I don't understand why you are on a mainly military site unless it is purely to be a total PITA (which you doing really well).