Whether that is true or not, it seems the language of confrontation, as does much else in the letter. As an aside I had a quick look at the CAA executive and there are aviators amongst them, but perhaps in too small a number?

Looping the venerable Hawker Hunter
 

That letter would not be out of place in the Nimrod Review. It accuses the CAA of savings at the expense of safety.

bigglesbrother,

Have you read any of this thread or indead anything about the accident at all?

He couldn't complete a loop because he was not attempting to fly a loop! It was a completely different manoeuvre.

Looping a Hawker Hunter
 

Hallo Flaps 62 ....

If a Hawker Hunter starts a pull up from a normal upright flight position - keeps pulling and climbing until it is inverted - (becoming desperately slow at the top as it happens) and then pulls through toward the original upright normal flight attitude as it nears the original start altitude - that is essentially a 'loop'.

A change of direction from entry heading to descent/impact heading does not negate the general aerodynamic description 'loop'.

The Shoreham Hunter went up, was inverted at the top, and then descended with the intent to arrive once more in a normal upright flying attitude at around manoeuvre start height. This it failed to do with tragic consequences.

The axis of the loop was likely skewed by the pilot in an attempt to stay within the airshow airspace, but it was still up we go and down we come - planning to arrive at the start height ready for the next display manoeuvre.

Bogglesbrother,

Thank you for telling us what everyone here has been discussing for months now.

bigglesbrother,

It's a Saturday night, this has indeed been done to death but here goes.

If you cannot understand how any rolling manoeuvre has a significant impact on the geometry of a vertical manoeuvre and you insist on calling a barrel roll/quarter clover a "loop" then I have doubts about your credentials to comment. Perhaps you should ask your brother (or even Algy) to explain things to you.

Oh, by the way, you say the Hunter was "desperately slow at the top". Can you please tell me its IAS in the inverted position?

Seeking your erudite advice Sir .....
 

Courtney,

I have enjoyed reading many of your posts. But your reply #1297 above is disingenuous.

In post #1295 above the writer states in print .... 'He couldn't complete a loop because he was not attempting to fly a loop!'.
My reply was to that simple but totally erroneous statement.

Going up & coming down in what is essentially a big vertical circle has been described as a loop since the days of biplanes looping while tied together with ribbons.

I reiterate: the Hawker Hunter pilot was attempting a low level looping manoeuvre and screwed up in a big way.

PS Your spelling is not good. Who is Bogglesbrother?

How do you know that ? maybe it was a barrel roll that went wrong.

He certainly seems much better informed than the rest of us ATC! Quite remarkable really. All those months of painstaking investigations then someone simply pops up here and tells us all exactly what happened.
My advice? Don't feed the trolls.........

Well, you clearly know better than the aviation experts. The investigators should have thought of just looking at an internet video instead of conducting a thorough and expensive forensic examination and inquiry.

Oh, and by the way,

was not disingenuousness, it was sarcasm (the use of ​remarks that ​clearly ​mean the ​opposite of what they say, made in ​order to ​criticize something in a ​humorous way). I have to admit that I wasn't actually grateful for your clarifying remark. And I am certainly not grateful to anyone that levels unsubstantiated accusations about anyone's actions without knowing all the facts, which you clearly don't.

JOINT STATEMENT BY THE ?HONOURABLE COMPANY OF AIR PILOTS? AND THE ?BRITISH AIR DISPLAY ASSOCIATION? : British Air Display Association

Enough said.

Generally fair, although I think the accusation that the CAA is manned by civil servants with no aviation background is harsh.

Timing of report
 

I recall seeing somewhere that AAIB had a report in draft, and that it would be published in March. Anyone here know if that's true?

Any idea where you recall seeing that?

Post 1283 on this thread

Thank you, D Sqn.

I can't see where Thomas Coupling got that gem from, but it isn't something I've seen elsewhere; he may have inside information, who knows. There was no expectation to publish before the Summer, but that was the AAIB estimate before they had reallt started the in-depth stuff. how the investigation has progressed since then would not be in the public domain; they wouldn't raise false hopes by suggesting an earlier date until they're ready to go.

Despite that, it's entirely possible that they're drafting now, but untill we see otherwise, I'm expecting the original date. Earlier, of course, would be good if they've finished.

D sqdrn:

As the AAIB stipulated in the Nov 2015 BADA meeting, they will feed findings into the CAA review in time for their (CAA) summary. This is to avoid the CAA having to re-adjust their summary at a later date when the AAIB promulgate theirs. The AAIB summary will take as long as it takes.

But just to be clear.
You said the AAIB findings were sent to CAA mid February.

D Sqn, if you're referring to

Posted 19:33 21 Feb 2016 (Post #1283) I wondered about that too.