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Bannock,
With the Nasty party in total control I think you can look forward to eye watering defence cuts for the next five years. |
I am willing to take redundancy if that helps! :)
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I don't think "the Nasty Party" will have anything to do with impending cuts. As High Spirits notes, defence would be in the firing line whichever party won last night. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the US didn't lean on the MoD / PM to temper any further cuts.
And personally, I don't think not spending money you don't have qualifies you as "nasty", just sensible, but I suppose that's the northern working class common sense in me talking. Any one who thinks otherwise needs to wake up to the chaos spending what you don't have causes. |
Originally Posted by Sandy Parts
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Glad rag - my (limited) interaction with the Tonka fleet (Lossie division) would not support your main argument. Yes, they may be owned by MoD and first line maintained by the finest RAF techies fuelled on enthusiasm and pies (:p) BUT the big jobs (depth) are all done by contractors so incur direct costs at contract renewal time (pay for x years even if you only keep the frame going for X-2?). To adapt the mighty warbird means major interaction with design authority (added cost) and even that doesn't always deliver the goods (TCAS fit anyone?).
In the complex, 'shave that cost off to contractors - someone else's budget' world of modern govt accounting - nothing matters except hitting your targets and the govt prioritises FINANCIAL targets over real targets. Still, maybe we are all wrong and SDSR won't be another cost-cutting exercise like the last one was (as even the govt now admits).... "and first line maintained by the finest RAF techies fuelled on enthusiasm and pies" Hmm, from what I've seen recently ;) I don't think so. And yes, Sadly it's all about £ Now, how they disguise that £, well.... rgds to the front line gr |
Originally Posted by Melchett01
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I don't think "the Nasty Party" will have anything to do with impending cuts. As High Spirits notes, defence would be in the firing line whichever party won last night. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the US didn't lean on the MoD / PM to temper any further cuts.
And personally, I don't think not spending money you don't have qualifies you as "nasty", just sensible, but I suppose that's the northern working class common sense in me talking. Any one who thinks otherwise needs to wake up to the chaos spending what you don't have causes. |
BBC reporting that any Bombshells our new Gov want to drop may come PDQ to capitalise on the Opposition parties lack of leadership and complete confusion.
Foreign Sec, Chancellor and Def sec back at desks on Monday. Brace Brace Brace. Spending And Review Top Tory Defense Priorities |
I see Vlad has just put on quite an impressive 'old style' parade for their 70th anniversary VE day commemorations......
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As a pilot from the Danish Air Force told me when asked about cuts in Denmark: 'You can't pluck hair from the head of a bald man'.
Sounds like a great idea for the Danes to buy the world's most expensive fighter, then. |
Originally Posted by Bannock
(Post 8970891)
BBC reporting that any Bombshells our new Gov want to drop may come PDQ to capitalise on the Opposition parties lack of leadership and complete confusion.
Foreign Sec, Chancellor and Def sec back at desks on Monday. Brace Brace Brace. Spending And Review Top Tory Defense Priorities |
Originally Posted by Bigbux
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So absolutely no risk of them suddenly deciding to pay double for the Army's Apache replacement by allowing Westlands to get in on the act, rather than sourcing from Boeing direct then.
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SDSR 15
I think the best we can hope for is an SDSR that is a progress check towards FF2020. Any radical changes would risk undoing all the work already done and nullify previous assumptions.
And I would hope even the most doctrinal of staff officers would argue that would be a huge waste of effort. |
Glad rag, would you care to quantify your sweeping generalisation about Finest RAF techies?
And you could very well argue that Putins display of hardware yesterday at VE day celebrations would be a decent reason for keeping a modern, updated battlefield helicopter. No? |
Jaylad,
I don't know where abouts in the real world you are, but the Victory Parade in Red Square started at 07:00z today (9 May). Perhaps you saw pics of one of the many practices (they have enough rehearsals to make GSM London District green with envy). You could see it live on any TV in the UK on Russia Today. I wonder how much that costs good old Vladimir? (TV station I mean, I'm sure the parade was peanuts):ok: |
Melchett,
That would be nice to have a mere tweak of the tiller. I don't think the treasury will permit such activity however. Even without No11 interference difficult decisions needed with flat cash, even with 1% for procurement. SDSR announcement early in the week is my guess. To report in six months for immediate implementation. |
Interesting development?...
Tory backbenchers threaten to block David Cameron's defence cuts ahead of meeting - Telegraph |
Whilst we still have horses towing guns I doubt Joe Public, on a zero hours contract, will believe the Military is 'cut to the bone'.
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Jayand - perhaps Glad Rag was referring to my 'pies' comment? I admit, since the days of the NAAFI wagon are long gone and popping to the new 'joint' scoff hall means risking running into all sorts of bosses - maybe the pie intake is reduced? :ok:
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Anna Soubry and Rory Stewart, some of the most vocal and well informed MPs on the Defence Select commitee I see have been moved on.
I am not suggesting anything! But someone else is http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2015/0...ect-committee/ |
Not unexpected...
The chancellor disclosed that Greg Hands, the new chief secretary, has written to every government department except health, education and international development ordering them to find cuts. It comes as the government faces a potential back-bench rebellion unless it commits to spending 2 per cent of Britain's national income on defence. |
The SOS was at High Wycombe on the 15th and addressed the great unwashed about SDSR.
Did he drop any clues about when he was going to spill the beans ? |
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