Falklands defence review after military deal between Russia and Argentina
 

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Falklands defence review after military deal between Russia and Argentina
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Good job MoD invested in some long range SAMs.

Su 24, nicknamed the Bencer because it was never a proper fighter. Would be nice to splash one to make up my 5!

I imagine that it is not only HMG that will be looking at options.

Indeed, some concerned watchers from over the Andes I would imagine

Russian expansion of influence into Sth America...RasPutin leading the charge.

Fencer is comparable to the F-111.

It's ok, as long as the U.S. maintain the house of Saud by controlling the subhuman islamist scum North of the Saudi border, thereby keeping the Saudi government in power, the oil price will be kept in check....

I think after 3 trillion plus spent in Iraq, we have finally leaned from that 2000 year old dead Chinese bloke.... Win all without fighting.

My prediction is Russia will be on the bones of its arse by June next year. Hopefully having a few of its ships repo'ed in port like the argies did a while back....

I would love to see how the Argentinian gubbermint plan to pay for said flankers... Unless they have some spare cadburys gold coins left over from this years Christmas stocking.

Anybody going to make any comparison with the Typhoon v SU24. And what the outcome would be. I strongly suspect the Typhoon would come out on top. But its the Argentine special forces that would be the concern. If they managed to get ashore and disabled what we have, could make things very interesting.

VinRouge

From the link in #1

Ah whats the fuss about - a dozen not that much of a fright (by the time they learn how to operate them, even with "advisors" and taking into account they will have say no more than 8 operational at any one time, probably less...), only gets exciting if they carry on a follow on order to lease say 24 Su-30 :ok:

Put Russian pilots in them and it may be a different story! This all stems from the US poking Putin in the eye with a big stick ie oil price! It's going to get much more difficult to see where the real threat is coming from!

But I believe it is coming!:ugh:

By the time they've got them operational, do you suppose that we might have a carrier with F35s on it that we could station there ........ no ........ s'pose not....... sorry.

The biggest concern is not necessarily the delivery vehicle, but the stuff that hangs off the hard points. I'd be worried if the arms shipment might include the likes of AS-17, AS-13 & AS-11, for example - all carried by Soviet 24s.

Falklands II
 

Hello, just finished reading 'Ghost Force' by Patrick Robinson.
A rather far stretched book about Russia helping Argentina
to invade the Falklands. Fiction of course.

Remember Pearl Harbor and Singapore chaps...

Seems a plausible future situation, enough agro to be noticed, but not enough to start WW3.

What like Crimea or Eastern Ukraine? Surely not... :ugh:

LJ

Ghost Force (2006) - Ghost Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I do wish authors would stop giving the bad guys ideas...:}

LJ

The moment they made a move, they'd fly home to find their airfields had just been SLCMed.

Aint gona happen.

We should be more annoyed at their paltry dosh however slimly bailing out Putin

FWIW, the story is being PISTON EXGREATHEIGHT, as they used to say, in the Argentine press.

A lot of the issues with regards to the Falklands would go away if you just made sure it was included as part of the UK in NATO. I think I got that right, NATO doesn't get involved or something along those lines??? Obviously a bit harder in practice (dam politics), but it would mean Argentina wouldn't bother militarily anymore.

Then what happens to NATO when Turkey includes northern Cyprus?

Story was posted on the Argentine equivalent of April 1st!

The Argentines invaded on our equivalent of April 1st!! (at least, that was the plan).

I see a lot of Argentine posters on the interweb saying this Su-24 story was all a hoax, but I don't buy it. What's 'funny' about getting Su-24s? Where's the 'joke'? If the story was that they are getting Tu-95s, then ok, ha ha, but Su-24s? It's unlikely but not so incredible.

Slight thread drift

Re: Cyprus Turkey to host Greek fighters for the first time at NATO's 2015 'Tiger Meet' - IHS Jane's 360

The B Word

You can hardly compare Cyprus with the Falklands, well I guess you could, but its a p!ss poor comparison. Just how long has the Falklands belonged to the UK, just how many people their define themselves as such? I think self determination would apply there.

How many people in northern Cyprus define themselves as Turkish? Can go around the houses all day with this one...

When the North Atlantic Treaty was agreed in 1949, UK and France, inter alia, had considerable number of Colonial possessions, that would have impossible to have protected under NATO. Moreover, the US was virulently anti-colonial and it would have been very unlikely that they would have gone to the direct aid of a NATO member in a Colony; Indo-China/Vietnam (5 years later) notwithstanding.

Not many I suspect given the Turkish armed forces conscription policy ;)

Also, isn't Northern Cyprus becoming the bolt hole of choice for those from the EU who have been 'naughty' and seeking to avoid extradition?

If you are a conscript in Turkey, expect to spend a fair amount of your time in the unrecognised Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

Just been looking at WW post #13. You would be right to be concerned if these items came as part of the package. Especially if they are fully functional and ready to go.

Su 24 Fencer combat radius lo lo lo 350 miles, but on the other side, an SSN with cruise missiles for retaliation, maybe no airfield to return home to.

I suspect that discrete words would be had via contact through back doors at the UN as happened during GW 1 between James Baker and Tariq Aziz. about the use of CBW.

It would have to be one hell of a persistent agent to be of any use in FI.

It's in relation to the threat that Iraq potentially posed during GW1 with having used CW during the attack on Halabja using Sarin and ?Mustard. The Americans from what I have read were basically saying use CW and Baghdad becomes glass.

Baghdad glazed
 

I believe that Maggie (RIP) made it quite clear that nuclear weapons were an option if UK Forces were attacked with chemical or biological weapons :ok:

Our American cousins said the same thing.

In GW1, the only reason we went SCUD hunting was that a) Iraq started firing SCUDs at Israel, b) the Israeli air force were up and ready to attack with conventional weapons but were quite prepared to invoke their Samson Option and had uploaded 'cough cough' nuclear weapons if any CBRN material hit Israel.

Schwartzkopf in GW 1 was not an advocate of special forces due to previous experience was persuaded or even had his arm twisted by the UK force commander Peter de la Balliere to use special forces in the western deserts of Iraq. This let loose British SAS (back to their original roots in the desert) and British SBS, US Delta and Seal teams to go SCUD and communication site hunting.

Surely Sir John Major was PM in 1990? So how would Maggie have directed the use of buckets of sunshine during GW1 in 1990/91?

:cool:

Argentinian special forces might do some damage on land but they would have their work cut out to disable the RN ships and their AA weaponry, I would have thought?

Leon it is clear that Anglian is talking about 1982 and the Falklands conflict!
Not the'90s and GW1!

Thatcher resigned in Nov 1990, admittedly not during the shooting bit but certainly during the crisis. No doubt she had a strong opinion on these things.