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It seems all armed forces (deliberate lack of capital letters) in Ukraine have now refused to fire on civilians, so the Prez has done a runner. Good to see.
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Maybe not good news F3 monkey? The establishment of a coup scenario could be an excuse for outside military intervention. :sad:
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Not till Sochi's over!
I think this Revolution will get sorted without 'outside help' |
Not till Sochi's over! I think this Revolution will get sorted without 'outside help' |
Ronald R,
Yes I concede that many Russians must love Putin and I think I could see why - who else but a tough nut to stand up and govern a vast nation of tough nuts? It worries me what could have happened here over Ukraine if our much less world-wise leaders has fronted him up over the recent days events. But as it happens our own leaders of the free world seem to have disappeared - perhaps that was deliberate, what with the way things seem tonight to be working out? And yes I am thoroughly ashamed of some of the UKs civilian and military leaders in the reasoning behind the invasions and subsequent failure within Iraq. Will Putin prove to be the enduring world leader of our times? |
Mr P, is the real-deal. Western "leaders" are a sick, sad, pathetic joke. One reason why.
Once we had a Theodore Roosevelt, an Iron Duke, a Churchill. What have we got now? The West is putrid to its core. Time for new leaders to arise. |
Mr P, is the real-deal. Western "leaders" are a sick, sad, pathetic joke. One reason why. Once we had a Theodore Roosevelt, an Iron Duke, a Churchill. What have we got now? The West is putrid to its core. Time for new leaders to arise. |
Lol, name one in the UK that would fit the bill,
Call me Dave and his spineless lackey Clegg, the dopey Miliband brothers and their cohort noBalls, And let's not forget William Vague, mister none personality I think well pass. |
Now that the ex leader seems to have done a runner and things should be calming down the local civilian population of both persuasions are starting to confront each other on the streets. It may not be over yet.
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Nice to see the house and the palace haven't been looted, they are simply doing visits to them to have a looksie, oh and play a round of golf on his course using his clubs.
Ukrainians explore bizarre luxury at deserted presidential palace But unlike recent overthrowings of power, Yanukovych's palace was not torn apart. Instead, a makeshift sign urged visitors not to destroy "this evidence of thieving arrogance". |
Seems far from over. But the winter Olympics are. Wonder what will happen when the foreign skiers are all clear of the host country?
All my entire knowledge, such as it isn't comes from the TV news and the picture that seems to give is one of a parliament struggling to give the dis-satisfied masses mostly what they want. A worst case scenario would be what, a breakout of fighting between the rival factions followed by a military invasion from the east for "peacekeeping" reasons? Would he dare? |
All my entire knowledge, such as it isn't comes from the TV news and the picture that seems to give is one of a parliament struggling to give the dis-satisfied masses mostly what they want. |
Originally Posted by Hangarshuffle
A worst case scenario would be what, a breakout of fighting between the rival factions followed by a military invasion from the east for "peacekeeping" reasons?
Would he dare? Soviet collapse a 'tragedy,' Putin says - World news | NBC News 4/25/2005 Russian President Vladimir Putin told the nation Monday that the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century” and had fostered separatist movements inside Russia. In his annual state of the nation address to parliament and the country’s top political leaders, Putin said the Soviet collapse also was a tragedy for Russians. “First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” Putin said. “As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory. Putin certainly considers those Ukrainians to be Russians, and would prefer to bring at least that part back into Russia. |
If they're ethnically Russian and Russian-speaking, it's perfectly reasonable for them to be Russian. Self-determination is a fairly well-established principle, although it can easily degenerate into "ethnic cleansing" in the wrong hands. The historical borders of the FIS were perhaps not laid out in the most polite or rational way.
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Not to mention Crimea and the Black Sea fleet.
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President missing but "near" the Russian border
Claims revolutionaries and hooligans have taken over the state Ambassador recalled to Moscow This is a classic build-up to a military intervention |
Unfortunately Putin will not walk away from what is in effect a direct challenge to his authority and status. Is part of the reason the US and others are warning him off military intervention is because they're seeing movements near the border?
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Kiev after the winter Olympics
Several have mentioned the possible events after the Winter Olympics--a few of my very well educated Friends in Kiev have expressed the same concerns--everyday normality had come to an end for many people---many of them tell me that you cant use the words ---normal and Ukraine together!!!
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In my opinion the Russians would likely be within in their rights to launch a peacekeeping mission into the east of Ukraine to protect the Russian minority living there.
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Protect them from whom? Nobody's made any threats against them.
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