Can someone clarify where Bacock/Dyncorp sit within the MFTS conudrum? There is a reason............!

Originally Ascent Flight Training (the winning bidder in the UKMFTS competition) was a consortium comprising Lockheed - Martin and Vosper Thornycroft. Babcock took over VT a couple of years ago.

wT

Bacock or Babcock :-)
 

From here

About Ascent | Ascent Flight Training

When Ascent originally won the contract in 2008 the company was a collaboration between LM and Vosper-Thornycroft. VT were consumed by BDS a year or two ago.

I understand that Ascent are split up into various sub Groups - Holding, Flight Training, etc, etc so that the failure of one element won't necessarily bring down the entire business.

New acquisition for DHFS
 

Finally they're looking into this

UK MoD begins training helicopter acquisition - 9/10/2014 - Flight Global

Looks like the line-up is complete:

T-6C to head UK military training renewal - 10/24/2014 - Flight Global

No mention of Linton-on-Ouse though?:sad:

So 30 years later the RAF gets the PC-9 it should have had.... :ok:

So route to a A400m will be single piston, twin jet, quad prop. Hardly seems cost efficient

Errr, Grob 120TP - turbo prop....not piston!

Route to A400 more likely single Turbo Prob, Single Turbo prop, single jet....hold......twin jet, four prop!!!

And , not even at this level , designed and built in the U.K.

It makes you want to cry.

lj101, (Your #2 - some way back):

Clicked on the link, found:

Ascent General Manager-RAF Valley

Location: RAF Valley
Manage Advanced Jet Training (AJT) delivery to achieve the required student output whilst ensuring safety and protecting business performance

What's happened to Station Commanders ? :confused:

Lighten my darkness, please !

Danny.

Danny ...

Valley still has a Station Commander ... All should clear if you refer to this link :ok:

About Ascent | Ascent Flight Training

Best ...

Coff.

Martin the Martian,


Not only NO mention of Linton On Ouse, but a specific statement that the T-6C fleet will be based at Valley.


So, this means the end for Linton On Ouse, and presumably 208 Sqn at Valley.

pr00ne wrote: That should improve morale amongst the BFTS QFIs and their families....:rolleyes:

Good job that the weather factor at Valley is so good that it won't be an issue for BFTS flying......:uhoh:

BEagle,

Going to be an interesting circuit, Hawk T2 and T-6C (surely to be called Harvard?)

Fancy your first T-6C solo in that environment?

And, are they REALLY going to replace ALL of the Tutor fleet with the turboprop retractable undercarriage Grob T120TP?

UAS, AEF, selection and grading?

Really?

The planned mil/civ mix for BFT QFIs is interesting. I look forward to the attempts to woo people at option points from Linton to living on Anglesey!

I'm sure Valley has the capacity. I know plenty of people enjoyed it, but most colleagues there with happy families have young kids and wives at the latter end of maternity leave etc. Much more in the way of employment opportunities within commuting distance of York.. why on earth would they move 1 FTS??

Guys, I know this is all news for you, but it's well known in the circles that need to know. Yes, some stupid-sounding decisions but it's their plan and it's what's been signed up to so you can slag it off as much as you want but it wont make it go away.

JAJ,

You are of course correct, but what it does do is immediately change my JPA Job Preferences, Location preferences and my wish to risk a QFI tour in an area where my Wife's Career cannot follow. Especially now that Military Rents are to go up as well. I am sure I'm not the only one.

The Onlooker sees most of the Game ?
 

Coffman Starter,

Thanks for the link. In modern parlance: "I can see what they're at". It seems to me a long string of wholly admirable aspirations with which no one would take issue, but I'm not yet convinced that it can "deliver the goods" any better than what we had before.

After all, we won a war with our old (outdated ?) training methods, and I would have thought that a hundred years after Colonel Smith-Barry laid down the principles of flying training, the people who are actually doing the job might be better placed to determine the best way of doing it than a hideously expensive firm of management consultants.

But then I suppose that I am (and happy to remain as) an Old Fuddy-Duddy when all's said and done !

Harrumph !, Danny.

We had the brief from the shiny suited chaps from Ascent a few weeks ago and despite the fact that rotary training hadn't really been signed up to, it struck me that it was about cost, cheapness and suiting the treasury and hardly had anything to do with efficiently delivering military flying training or making the current process better. Cant really blame the company as it appears they are stoolies of the usual MoD 'business model' i.e. like a Blow Fly round the arse end of a Diarrhetic cow.

Yet another 'plan' from the good ideas club of myopic idiots.