PN, I suspect this case will always be 'allegedly hacked to death' until formal evidence is produced in a court of law. Were you there? Did you witness the event first hand? You can not always rely on other peoples reports of events, initial reports in this case were of an 'alleged beheading'.

This may have been a multiple stabbing rather than being hacked to death, but having said that, it does look very likely that the 'allegations' you doubt probably will turn out to be facts :(

SOSL,
When you come back down again can I explain that I referred to the fact that we still go on about attacks by white on black which happened years ago.
This is in the headlines now but, in a couple of months, will be forgotten. Capisce?

On the very short video that was released via the broadcast media the wanxer with a handful of knives etc, and apparently blood all over himself spoke to the camera and seemed to admit to the murder but he didn't mention Islam.

He never, at that time, claimed the killing was in any way linked with Islam.

He did mention "our countries", although I understand he was a British citizen. So wtf was he talking about? Where his mummy and daddy were born? I don't know.

Rgds SOS

Basil,

Nessuno

Rgds SOS

SOSL, Nigeria. Mum has gone back there. Police raided Dad's flat but apparently found nothing relevant.

Pointless semantics.

He may not have used the precise word "Islam", but his references to "Sharia" are indisputable. The Qur'an is the central Islamic religious text, and an adherent of Islam is called a Muslim, no?

Like many of our fellow countrymen and women I was appalled by the story as it unfolded. The temptation to “have something done about it” other than arresting, trying and sentencing the dreadfully red-handed murderers is strong indeed.
But should the government do more than review the actions, inactions, procedures and organisation of the security services, above and beyond the obvious and correct appropriate actions taken in other spheres after road deaths, rail crashes, murder by deranged psychotics, fire disasters and the like?
In my life-time the terrorist has invented himself. The concept of killing and dying if necessary for a cause has always existed, but usually in “just wars” and very rarely involving innocent civilians or indeed unarmed soldiers.
I doubt if anything can be done without unacceptably draconian measures which will impinge on the very freedoms we cherish.
We do not ban motor cars, we do not lock up all the deranged, we do live in flammable houses and we fly in crashable aircraft and yet the media do not [rightly] urge the application of yet another layer of cotton wool to Health and Safety, CRB checks, and the like.
What to do? Treat this case as deranged murder, deal with the perpetrators, review the case,
KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON, you are far more likely to die in a road accident.

Agree, you are pushing against an open door parabellum. They are criminals.

Yes, strangely acceptable that about 2000 a year are killed on the roads (cf 8000 40yrs ago) but, then, the cars don't have a loosely allied international organisation setting out to attack us - or do they?:ooh:

hoodie
 

Hi, hoodie. Thanks for your input.

Not quite sure what you mean by "semantics" in this context.

But it doesn't really matter, because more or less everything posted on an internet forum is pointless. It's good fun to post; but most of the time it doesn't achieve anything and so it's pointless.

One exception being when we record and communicate our condolences, congratulations or respect to individuals or units that deserve our recognition, for whatever reason.

After all, who really needs PPrune or any other similar website? It's an imaginary environment populated by imaginary characters and, although I enjoy it, I imagine it would make no difference to my life if it disappeared tonight.

Rgds SOS

Garden would be neater, things would get fixed around the house, wife would occasionally be excused cooking etc etc :)

Have you tried my wife's cooking!?

Rgds SOS

SOSL

You prompted me as to why I keep following PPRuNe.

For Mil Aviation probably this --

Habit (like having breakfast) - but then I can easily skip breakfast
RAF related news - but then I can find the accurate bits elsewhere
International mil aviation matters - as above
Nostalagia - interesting things crops up on Av His & Nost, but infrequently
Contacts - banter with mates, but moreso elsewhere
Idiot Watching - permanently on tap, but very, very tedious
SOPW - Unbelievably self-opinientated-people-watching, especially ex-RAF; as above

For Jet Blast --

Now you're talking!!!!

I mean that it is crystal clear he was talking about Islam, despite him not actually saying the word "Islam" on camera.

You said that he had not mentioned Islam, and had not claimed the killing "was in any way linked with Islam".

I was pointing out that he unambiguously did "mention" that religion, and did claim that link.

Correct and irrefutable. Right SOSL ?

hood and El G
 

Hi, guys. Thanks for your clarification.

What's your point?

Rgds SOS

Correcting your error.

Point is, feel free to fool yourself, you ain´t fooling us :ugh:

Pat Condell (you can see him on You Tube) has put another video out.
He speaks for many - and I'm one.

This what you are talking about ?