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Al R 18th May 2012 21:59

Kinloss glows in the dark.
 
BBC News - Investigation into radioactive contamination concerns at RAF Kinloss



.. a review of the quality of the land at RAF Kinloss was already under way, ahead of the transfer of the base to the Army.
Bet they can't wait..!

Runaway Gun 18th May 2012 22:35

Imagine the low carbon footprint, if no outside lighting nor heating is required ;)

500N 18th May 2012 22:40

Reminds me of a certain suburb here which made a big song and dance
about Nuclear Free Zone when it was all trendy, putting up signs and
everything else.

One sign as you entered the suburb was right out the front of the Hospital
and if you looked at the hospital entrance, you would see the names of the
departments - including X Ray and Radiology !

newt 19th May 2012 08:50

Just proves the point that we should keep all our old aircraft and not let the engineers burn them up!!:ok:

airpolice 19th May 2012 09:21

It would take something like buckets of instant sunshine to Kinloss glow.

green granite 19th May 2012 09:29

This sounds typical of the BBC, making environmental mountains out of molehills, deliberately hyped up to stir up the locals before any proper survey of the extent of the problem is conducted, as well as expecting the MOD to have applied today's level of safety and envoiromental risk documentation at the end of a war that had killed several million people. :ugh:

NutLoose 19th May 2012 10:08

No problem, they could bottle the local water and sell it as Peckham Spring :O

Fareastdriver 19th May 2012 12:34

When I started flying we had U/V, Red lights and Luminous markings in the cockpit. With a total electric failure at night, no standbye, one flew with your nose agains the luminous markings on the instruments.
Years ago the Standardisers insisted that helicopter pilots moved around an active dispersal with their helmets removed to prevent them walking into tail rotors. As a result of this I was awarded a lump sum (£4,500) for subsequent hearing loss.

HOW MUCH CAN I CLAIM FOR BEING SUBJECTED TO RADIOACTIVE EMISSIONS?

Stuart Sutcliffe 19th May 2012 13:52


No problem, they could bottle the local water and sell it as Peckham Spring http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/embarass.gif
Nope! That would create a problem. The name 'Peckham Spring' is already trademarked, and bottles of it are on sale from the corner shop across the road from Nelson Mandela house. The shop often has a crappy yellow Reliant Regal parked outside, with a suitcase strapped to the roof .....

5aday 19th May 2012 14:39

It could be the Findhorn Foundation spreading rumours before the pongos finally take over.

Agaricus bisporus 19th May 2012 17:38

As if the amount of radium involved in even a thousand aircraft was significant. On the same proportions as squealing "drowning hazard" when they find a damp tissue...

This is surely just another idiotic example of the massive job creation scheme that is the scottish parliament and all the stupidity that goes with it. All they want is $squillions in "compensation" from the MoD for a pointless job-creation "clean-up" and a big dollop of smug self publicity for the risibly named scottish Environmental Protection Agency. And, of course, never miss an opportunity to take a cheap shot at the "English" for being the cause of all their problems. As if.

What a pointless, stupid, criminal waste of money all that doubled-up bureaucracy is in a recession when we should be reducing the parasites in government, not generating entire new species of them!

NutLoose 19th May 2012 18:06

I seem to remember Basingstoke had similar problems with the site of an old Smiths Factory that produced wartime instruments.

Found it

http://www2.basingstoke.gov.uk/test/...4/00842465.PDF

draken55 19th May 2012 18:07

"What a pointless, stupid, criminal waste of money all that doubled-up bureaucracy is in a recession"

In their favour, our MSP's are amalgamating all the current Police Services in favour of an all Scottish one with the Fire Service next in line. Do not be surprised if soon after that, the many pointless District Councils we were landed with (by the last Conservative Government) in 1997 go. With an Edinburgh Parliament, there's not a lot left for them to do.

BTW SEPA apply the Law as it applies across the UK. The issue at Kinloss is over land already sold by the MOD and doubt that required procedures were carried out to render it usable by others. This differs from the problem at Dalgety Bay in Fife where surplus WW2 aircraft had been dumped and radium particles are now being found on the beach.

grousehunter 19th May 2012 19:25

As far as I am aware SEPA have known about this for years, so not sure why it's suddenly news.

draken55 19th May 2012 19:46

It's probably "news" because someone chose to make it so. Issuing a press release to drum up media interest not too long after the Dalgety Bay story cant help but keep SEPA in the Public eye when it's Budget is under scrutiny!

Al R 20th May 2012 17:46

Blister Agent too..?

BBC News - Chemical weapon 'risk' at RAF Kinloss in Moray


RAF Kinloss authorities knew the public could be at risk from chemical weapons buried near the base, according to documents obtained by BBC Scotland. The Moray base is already the focus of an investigation into radioactive contamination. A 2004 land quality assessment also warned sulphur mustard chemical weapons may be present within landfill and waste areas accessible to the public.
Stashes found near Cott a while back as I recall.

crippen 20th May 2012 18:57

Trimphone glows also
 
There was also some concern about the luminescent dial that glowed green in the dark. This effect came from a small glass tube of tritium gas, which gave off beta radiation and made the dial fluoresce. Although the radioactivity was equivalent only to that given off by a wristwatch it was felt wise to withdraw this facility as public concern over radioactivity grew.
Trimphone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wonder where all the old ones are stored.:confused:

BEagle 20th May 2012 19:28

Ah yes, the good old Trimphone! We had a couple of those back in the early 1970s.

A little known feature was that the microphone wasn't at the end of the handset, there was a transducer somewhere in the middle of the handset connected by a stethoscope-type tube to the speaking end. So if someone put their hand over the 'microphone' to prevent you hearing what they were saying to a third party, you could in fact still hear every word!

Windy Militant 20th May 2012 19:29


Wonder where all the old ones are stored.
Some were sealed in drums and dumped at sea.
Some were buried at Harwell, recently they were dug up, there was a great big inflatable tent erected over the excavations whilst they were removed and sent to Sellafield, where I believe they were dismantled and the Tritium recovered.
Apparently Harwell had broken the disposal regs by burying them, and were fined by Wantage Magistrates court.

NutLoose 20th May 2012 20:16

Ahhh the Trimphone, not deemed a hazard as such on its own, so what did they do when disposing of them, they put them all together, thus making them a Hazard. :D:ugh:


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