Libya - A Great Investment
 

That £100m we spent helping the Libyan people be free was clearly a wise investment:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54c_1330621949
:ugh:

Its what Hague wanted............ am Islamic govt with support from Al Qaeda....Bet he and his oil chums are happy now.

They go ballistic when the koran is burned and then do this ?

It's survived and kept clean by them for 50 + years to be destroyed
by a bunch of people who might have been speaking German or Italian
if it hadn't have been for the Allies.

Makes my blood boil this.

Useful scenario for a SF exercise though. See who the real soldiers are.

Word gets around ;o)

These fools go home

I just found that so very very sad to watch.

Did the locals bombard the West telling us they did not like us and did not want our support when we were saving their lives and giving them freedom during the recent skirmishes? Maybe they did, but I never saw it, and only remember various spokesmen asking for more help.

The video has left a nasty dull feeling in my stomach, which is made worse by the fact services are being cut in my local area so I could pay to support these people, and that British forces have been some of these scums key enablers.:confused:

Scum, and worse than that, they are desecrating graves of those countries that were not responsible for burning the Koran.

One hopes their new Government see's this and realises the effect it will have in their support and deals with them accordingly.

It's all part of the plan.

They needed the Wests help to topple Ghaddafi because none of the other Arab states had the guts or inclination, but to their "brothers", they must be seen as anti-West.

Once Syria falls to the fundamentalist scum, I reckon we'll start to see some form of unification, regardless of the factions, that will almost form a single combined fundamentalist state. If I was Israel, I'd make sure the stockpile was accurate & full.

They are Muslims, it's what they do. They did the same to the British military cemeteries in Iraq.

Bob C

I haven't seen this in the UK papers yet.

Has it been in them ?

I would have thought that it would be front page news
and an outcry if it was in them.

Words fail me.

It has finally made the UK papers

Insult to WWII heroes: Graves of British soldiers smashed and desecrated by Libyan Islamists in protest over U.S. soldiers' Koran burning | Mail Online

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya et al have never been worth the life of 1 British serviceman/Woman.


But please feel free to kid yourself otherwise.

kind of makes me care a little bit less when I see a guy with a beard in kit form in Syria. sad really. Leave em to it.

Very sad, but I think people need to remember our colonial, emperial past.
From 1942 we and the French took control of Libya and put down any independant resistance! If there is one thing Arabs hate more than anything else it is being occupied and told what to do by Westerners. We might be upset but really we should not be surprised, anti western feelings will NEVER go away.

For that reason, and a bit of empathy with....

... we should let them get on with it. Their stone age view of life doesn't fit with ours- so be it. And oil? They will still want to sell it, or in their isolation, they will fester and die.

If the, "We're doing the world policing so that they can't export terror to us." argument is really appropriate, then don't let them out of their borders. Any of them.

CG (Quite right wing for me- hey ho.)

For crying out loud Jayland, get real and stop trying to feed some justification into this incident, imho it’s damn all to do with colonial past, I doubt in fact the level of education of that lot extends to any real history anyhow. No, it’s a bunch of moronic Islamic extremists displaying well and truly how miserably low they can get and is more likely motivated simply by allowing themselves get stirred up by some religious zealot. I would have thought they would have been a little better filling up their time cleaning up some of the mess their place is in and helping rebuild the country; but I suppose I should not really have any reasonable expectations of such low life. In the meantime I wait for the sounds of outrage and condemnation from the so called ‘moderate’ elements of their religious persuasion.

Am not trying to justify this hideous act but merely putting a different perspective on it.
I think you underestimate their knowledge and appreciation of their own history, these people have been the subject of foreign (white man) intervention and rule for centuries, they know whats happened.
I am as sickened as the next man but only a fool would be surprised.

Jayand

Until 1951 when it was granted independence or if you like, 1969.


So if they know history, why are the destroying a Commonwealth Graves,

Ottoman, then Italy, a brief period after WW11 by ? then independence.
And then white man helped them get out of the situation last year.

If they have such a comprehensive appreciation of history then perhaps thay can cast their minds back 5 months to when the 'infidels' enabled them to achieve their freedom. Without our input these very people would probably now be hanging from meathooks in one of Gadaffi's jails.

Of course every society has its f---wits and I trust these are not representative of the new leadership of Libya, who now have a clear choice between entering the modern world or returning to the dark ages. What we do not need is an Al Qaeda colony within spitting distance of mainland Europe.

At the very least I would like to see a formal, diplomatic complaint to the new government of Libya, and perhaps the full cost of restoration and 24-hour guard in perpetuity should be deducted from their share of the aid budget, which is no doubt colossal.

History teaches us that arabs will readily take our help but will rarely thank us for it!
The bottom line is they want nothing to do with us and only have sympathy for countries where we are involved/occupy. That anger/sympathy is massively heightened by the huge own goal of burning the koran!
Not defending any of their actions but people need to think of the bigger picture.
Ten years from now we may regret ever helping get rid of Col Gadaffi.

Don's see much reporting of a formal diplomatic complaint from the UK Government - wimps!

They are too enthralled in the Olympics and getting gongs for that.
Plus you need a functioning Gov't to make a complaint to !

Our political masters call it democratic freedom. These were ''freedom fighters'' against the evils of the Libyan, Iraqi, wherever, regimes that the West did not like.

The scenes are shocking, but frankly should we surprised?

The future should be interesting.

Be very careful what you wish for, you might just get it.:mad:

Absolutely disgusting. And as for the idiot cameraman chanting 'God is great' as he films people desecrating the headstones of men who died to liberate his country from the Germans & Italians....

I note that they reserved special 'attention' for those headstones belonging to Jews. We should have removed our ex-pats and left the country in the hands of Gaddaffi for him to administer his own form of 'justice' to these vermin.

I had my misgivings at the time.

Freedom fighters ?

My @arse

Not surprised in the slightest. As already noted, they're a bunch of ill-educated cretins.

I wonder whether this particular Genie will ever be put back in the bottle?

Given that we helped smash the bottle to pieces I very much doubt it.No bottle to return it to.

I felt sick watching that.

So apart from the Mail Online and LiveLeak, has this been reported anywhere else? Was it actually in the printed version of the Daily Mail. Why has the Sun not reported anything about it (they allegedly support our troops - past and present). Has any politician or Foreign Office diplomat condemned it or even made a statement. Has there been any form of statement of condemnation made by the CWGC, the British Legion or anybody else that supports our Fallen Heroes.

The problem is that anybody in a position of authority in the Western World is scared sh!tle$$ that they might offend them. I find it sick that our politicians grovel to apologise when any incident that offends their religion occurs but they say nothing when an incident like this occurs. This will never work out and rest assured it will only get worse. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

We should stop giving them money and aid.

The money would be better spent and bringing them to a place where they can rest in peace.

I find the whole thing very sad and an insukt to their service

Regards

Col

SRENNAPS,

I was so sickened when I saw the footage that I was moved to write to my MP - coincidentally the Right Honourable Philip Hammond MP, asking those very points.

Bluntie

Mosques blockaded? Muslim printing presses destroyed? Letter bombs sent to clerics?:ugh:

We could solve it the Taliban way....re-colonise, appoint a new Gaddhafi as our man in charge, take off the gloves ....and hang long lines of dissenters, publicly from lamp posts in the streets of Benghazi.

Of course some might see that as a little extreme .......

Typical apologist crap. If the region was occupied, it was for a reason. Ask the US Marines.......

Barbary corsairs

The Barbary Corsairs, sometimes called Ottoman Corsairs or Berber Pirates, were pirates and privateers who operated from North Africa, based primarily in the ports of Tunis, Tripoli and Algiers. This area was known in Europe as the Barbary Coast, a term derived from the name of its Berber inhabitants. Their predation extended throughout the Mediterranean, south along West Africa's Atlantic seaboard and even South America,[1] and into the North Atlantic as far north as Iceland, but they primarily operated in the western Mediterranean. In addition to seizing ships, they engaged in Razzias, raids on European coastal towns and villages, mainly in Italy, France, Spain, and Portugal, but also in England, Scotland, the Netherlands, Ireland, and as far away as Iceland. The main purpose of their attacks was to capture Christian slaves for the Islamic market in North Africa and the Middle East.[2]

While such raids had occurred since soon after the Muslim conquest of the region, the terms Barbary Pirates and Barbary Corsairs are normally applied to the raiders active from the 16th century onwards, when the frequency and range of the slavers' attacks increased and Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli came under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire, either as directly administered provinces or as autonomous dependencies known as the Barbary States. Similar raids were undertaken from Bou Regreg and Salé and other ports in Morocco, but strictly speaking Morocco, which never came under Ottoman dominance, was not one of the Barbary States.

Göke (1495) was the flagship of Kemal Reis at the Battle of Zonchio
Corsairs captured thousands of ships, and long stretches of coast in Spain and Italy were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants, discouraging settlement until the 19th century. From the 16th to 19th century, corsairs captured an estimated 800,000 to 1.25 million people as slaves.[2] Some corsairs were European outcasts such as John Ward, Zymen Danseker and Henry Mainwaring.[3] Hayreddin Barbarossa and Oruç Reis, the Barbarossa brothers, who took control of Algiers on behalf of the Ottomans in the early 16th century, were also famous corsairs. The European pirates brought state-of-the-art sailing and shipbuilding techniques to the Barbary Coast around 1600, which enabled the corsairs to extend their activities into the Atlantic Ocean,[3] and the impact of Barbary raids peaked in the early to mid-17th century.........

Just watched the review of newspapers on the BBC News and I see that the Mail on Sunday has made it front page news. Well done to them. The BBC mentioned that there was also “some video footage” on line somewhere. So why don’t they show it on their News as a proper report ???:mad:

Top story on Sky News website now:

British War Graves Desecrated In Libya

Shall we have a "Day of Rage", or storm and burn a few Embassies ? The excuse is the irreverent disposal of the Korans in Afghanistan of course - why are they so much better at propaganda than us ? Could it be that they are not suffocated by liberal dogma and Political Correctness

I wonder what the Saudis do with all the confiscated Bibles and Christian symbols ?

Given how the BBC just loves to regurgitate online footage already posted elsewhere and then signpost it as "news", one can only assume that its vague reference to footage means that they haven't yet visited Liveleak.

Or maybe it's that the BBC is so keen not to do anything that might cast a minority in a bad light that actually they're going to conveniently forgo the opportunity to recycle this little bit of film.

Which one could it be, I wonder.

In the Aussie media (The Age) it says the Libya's National Transitional Council has apologised and vowed to find those responsible.

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And if they do find those responsible, what are they going to do? Congratulate them?

The NTC is already blocking any extradition attempt by the British Government to try those responsible for the murder of PC Yvonne Fletcher in 1986, so I very much doubt that they'll do anything much at all to this bunch of idiots.