Somali pirates caught by Russian Navy
 

And shortly to be having dinner with Spongebob....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d3_1312921330

No 'softcock' tactics there. How about inviting the crew of that DDG into London for a bit of "shore leave"...:ok:

TBM

Was thinking exactly the same thing.:ok:


Pr00ne
The Video says they had 18th and 19th Century laws to go by,
do you consider this true or was it murder ?

The majority of people I talk to over the last year reckon the Russians
did well doing what they did. Interesting that no "do gooders" in the world have tried to take them to task over this and other actions (or quick justice) carried out against Pirates.

I wonder why that is ?

Pity the "Western" navies have one hand tied with restrictive ROE's.

A few more of "Seal triple shot" type justice where they don't return from a trip and a fair few might decide it might not be worth it.

the "Pirates" only understand one law and that's the law of the gun. :}

Summary punishment and execution is a'OK by me under these circumstances. Look at what is going on in Somalia itself. They show no regard for human life there...

The west is soft.:ugh:

Much is down to reputations; if you've got the Russians or Chinese feeling your collar I imagine you'd be pretty scared. If it's someone more fluffy you're probably due some medical treatment, a hot meal and could maybe discuss asylum.

I wonder if the Russians remembered to take those Somalis with them when they went back to their ship...

500N,
Watched it through this site but following your tip...:ok:
no tears here I'm afraid!! You sow what you reap...

I think the US is the only "Western" country to really kick some ass
and those it does capture process quickly.

"Five men convicted of piracy after trying to capture a US Navy ship were found guilty in November in a Norfolk, VA court. The sentence was issued earlier today by Judge Mark Davis. Not only are these men the first to be found guilty of piracy in the US since 1820, but have been given the longest sentence in US history for the crime (the last guy was hung). They will serve a minimum of life in prison for piracy and the judge tacked on another 80 years for firearms charges, just for good measure.
The Somali men are the first to be tried in a US court since the sudden boom of pirate activity in the Gulf of Aden starting in March 2010. But there will be more to come, as 13 suspected pirates have been indicted for the murder of the passengers on a private US yacht and will soon join their countrymen."


Why oh why do other countries get so tied up in appeals, rulings et al,
all BS.

Maybe a few Apache sorties / live fire "exercises" wouldn't go astray.

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Jobza
"I wonder if the Russians remembered to take those Somalis with them when they went back to their ship..."

Did you read the text underneath the Video ?

There is no indication the pirates were on board when their boat was sunk.

One can only hope!

sitigeltfel

Agreed, but when that video first came out quite a while ago,
a fair amount of comment was also available.


Secondly, would you videotape it if you did what they did ?
I certainly wouldn't. I think it was a sensible idea not to.
Just look at the Flak the Israelis got into when they raided
the boat running the Gaza blockade - all because of a bloody video.

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500N,


Old news and you are way off with what actually happened.

Nobody was shot in cold blood. If they had been then it would indeed be murder and I wouldn't like to be the next Russian crewman to be captured by a Somali pirate.


Sorry to satiate your pathetic blood lust.

The Russian sank the boat in exactly the same way that many navies have, including the Royal Navy.

The reason we don't arrest pirates is:

In 2008 the British Foreign Office advised the Royal Navy not to detain pirates of certain nationalities as they might be able to claim asylum in Britain under British human rights legislation, if their national laws included execution, or mutilation as a judicial punishment for crimes committed as pirates. :ugh::ugh:

500N the USA is not the only country to do this, a very good friend of mine works for a company that specialises in anti piracy protection he tells me that if any pirates are caught the never make it back to shore must be those old boats the pirates use are very leaky and dangerous don't you know:D

Maybe pirates should be landed at the nearest 'friendly' base and quietly tried there. I am sure some US judge would be happy to fly out to DG. They could even set up a camp there and save the cost of flying them around the world.

You would get a load of fluffies here complaining because it is British territory. They would be flown here by private aircraft so that their asylum applications could be processed in comfort.

I find this quote very interesting indeed:

"Nobody was shot in cold blood. If they had been then it would indeed be murder and I wouldn't like to be the next Russian crewman to be captured by a Somali pirate.


Sorry to satiate your pathetic blood lust."

I wonder if anyone has told the Russians this?
From my own living memory, as well as factual history (but not of the openly discussed kind) I don't think anyone has told the Russians about this 'murder' business, as they have shot/killed quite a few in cold blood (including their own civilians and military).
It must be great to live in fluffy-land, where quoting soft Western morals is supposed to change the way that things have/do happen in real life.

This attitude reminds me of the many protests I see in the UK about third world or Middle Eastern leaders.....I am always bemused why these 'die hard' protesters have meetings in my pretty safe country with its democracy, freedom of speech and unarmed police....Why don't they protest in the country they are accusing of all kinds of nasty business!.....:E

EDITED TO ADD: Of course I can't personally say if anyone WAS or WAS NOT shot in cold blood, as I was not actually there:ok:

Pr00ne - I never said they were "shot" and I don't have a "pathetic blood lust."
I was only using the Gaza ship video as an example of when NOT to video things - like on base sometimes, what goes on "behind the wire" stays behind the wire !!!

I somehow don't think the Russians worry too much about the "next Russian crew man". The Russians and the US will do what they do, again and again.

I just believe summary justice is sometimes the right message to send.
Although on a lower level, when our past PM put his foot down re Asylum Seekers, instead of a nice friendly welcome, they got the hard boot. Word spread back, the number of boats coming decreased. As soon as the Policy was changed, the flood gates opened.
Sometimes a bit of head banging and hard nosed activity does work.

Pr00ne - I somehow think you and I will never see eye to eye.

PN
This "island" camp etc is BS - We try it here with Asylum Seekers, creates MAJOR Problems because of the do gooders - and then the AS riot, set fire to the place and other general BS.

matkat
Good to hear.

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Some of those pirates didn't look very....Somalian either.

Two video's innit?

the Russians made a mistake in boarding the boat They should have simply sunk it. No questions then. Or evidence

This has bugger all to do with Military Aviation, just like the two riot threads. They should all be on Jet Blast.

The Sovs have always had rather a robust response to terrorism.

Really annoyed
Re your post re Jet Blast, I don't disagree with you but we don't make or implement the rules.


BEagle
Very good example.

Well don't be a dork, don't read this thread.....:{

I seem to remember that Aeroflots SOP to hijacking was to resist to the death.
Perhaps if the West had had a similar SOP, billions of dollars, a couple of pointless wars and thousands of people would still be alive?

Military Aviation role in Counter-Piracy
 

I agree, this thread really needs something to do with Military Aviation to justify its position here, so voila...

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The video has been doing the rounds for some time now with various dodgy claims that the pirates were handcuffed to the ship when it was sunk.

In the original video the Russians can be heard asking the crew who is Pakistani and later on asking for Iranians.

See following video for Russian news item.


Investigation has revealed that all the suspected pirates are not from Somalia and some are fishermen from Iran and Pakistan. It is not clear whether Iranian and Pakistani fishermen are working as navigators for Somali pirates for monetary gains.

Also Russia is not able to decide, where and how to proceed with these suspected pirates.

Update: May 05

Russian missile destroyer Admiral Panteleyev has freed eight Iranians who were part of the 29 suspected pirates. It is reported that Iranians were kept as hostages by the suspected Somali pirates for more than three months.

From

Somali Piracy: Suspected Pirates are Also from Iran and Pakistan

Russia was considering trying those detained.

Somali pirates could face trial in Russia | Russia | RIA Novosti

In the end the Pakistanis and Iranians were returned to their respective countries.

Russia hands over Somali pirates to Middle East states — RT

TJ

Any one else remember the Royal Navy fat birds being snatched by the lranians ? With a frigate watching ?
lt wouldn`t have happened in Hornblower`s day.

Embarrassingly for the uk, a few weeks before exactly the same situation was engineered around the RN, some Royal Australian Navy personnel were threatened in the same manner.

The Aussies (literally) stuck up two fingers, pointed their cocked weapons and told the Iranians to go away. They did.

Made the RN, with it's hard won and impeccable fighting reputation, look tragic.

Ah, what you don`t realise is that those parts of society that couldn`t speak their name earlier have to be included now, by law. And l, for one, object very strongly indeed about watering down our traditional strengths.

Mind, according to the young multi-millionare, never had a proper job in his life, Chancellor of the Exchequer, we are all in this " together".

l honestly don`t know whether to laugh, or start hoarding petrol bombs.

Half of our Members of Parliament forgot who they were representing the first time the bent expenses cheque arrived, the rest didn`t seem interested anyway, having been handed the "seat" by friends.

Democracy ?

i would like to propose some new ROE on sighting of a pirate Skiff.

"4-5 Engage!"
"6 rounds VT Fuse High"
"6 rounds DA"

Then sail away.

Thoughts?

Navaleye,


You'd just have committed murder.

Pr00ne.....why not at all!

He would have solved some problems most rikki tik....kept up the Gunnery Department's edge....and shown some good commonsense. No sense keeping ammunition around till you have to dispose of it by controlled detonation.

If we popped every Pirate boat and crew we ran across...Piracy would soon cease to be a problem.

Our Navy SEALs did fine with a one-two punch a while back as well.

SASless,


Sorry, it wouldn't solve anything, it would just mean that he was a murderer.

Pr00ne,

To you a murderer, to me a saviour

If you killed enough of them, and if the probability of being killed versus success as a pirate was high it would.

Your only a murderer if its a illegal killing, just need to make sure your government crosses the t's and dots the i's before hand.

"Sorry, it wouldn't solve anything, it would just mean that he was a murderer."

As rh200 said but

I would add, let them open fire or brandish weapons in a threatening manner
first, then you have legal right to defend.

If the Australian Gov't can "stem" the flow of refugee boats by playing hard line on policy, with the reverse effect after they relaxed the policy, imagine how it would shut off refugees if a few boats were sunk.

I reckon if you apply the same criteria to the Pirates and they stopped returning to home port, they would stop heading out.
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For pr00ne: I see no reason for the term "pirate" to not be synonymous with "target" given what pirates do.

Seem to recall the Royal Navy, among others, engaging in cannon shooting and ship sinking and killing for many long years, vis a vis pirates.

Do I now understand that you are, as a revisionist historian, asserting that the Royal Navy was naught but a collection of maritime murderers? I would hope not.

Granted, many pirates were captured and taken to hang, after summary judgment. But many also died on the bounding main.

Perhaps one ought to learn from history, rather than trying to rewrite it or simply ignore it. Piracy pays, at present, along the Somali coast. The trick is to change that calculus, to the point that piracy does not pay.

I seem to recall that the Americans decided to stop putting up with making piracy pay, and sent the flotillas to deal with the pirates along the Barbary Coast. It worked.

I suggest, again, learn from history about how to deal with pirates effectively. Huggy fluffy don't cut it.

I have suggested it before - "Q Ships".

Just remember to raise Ensigns before opening rapid fire. It worked against U-Boats!!!

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