Somali pirates caught by Russian Navy
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Was thinking exactly the same thing.
Pr00ne
The Video says they had 18th and 19th Century laws to go by,
do you consider this true or was it murder ?
The majority of people I talk to over the last year reckon the Russians
did well doing what they did. Interesting that no "do gooders" in the world have tried to take them to task over this and other actions (or quick justice) carried out against Pirates.
I wonder why that is ?
Pity the "Western" navies have one hand tied with restrictive ROE's.
A few more of "Seal triple shot" type justice where they don't return from a trip and a fair few might decide it might not be worth it.
Was thinking exactly the same thing.
Pr00ne
The Video says they had 18th and 19th Century laws to go by,
do you consider this true or was it murder ?
The majority of people I talk to over the last year reckon the Russians
did well doing what they did. Interesting that no "do gooders" in the world have tried to take them to task over this and other actions (or quick justice) carried out against Pirates.
I wonder why that is ?
Pity the "Western" navies have one hand tied with restrictive ROE's.
A few more of "Seal triple shot" type justice where they don't return from a trip and a fair few might decide it might not be worth it.
the "Pirates" only understand one law and that's the law of the gun. 
Summary punishment and execution is a'OK by me under these circumstances. Look at what is going on in Somalia itself. They show no regard for human life there...
The west is soft.
Summary punishment and execution is a'OK by me under these circumstances. Look at what is going on in Somalia itself. They show no regard for human life there...
The west is soft.
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Much is down to reputations; if you've got the Russians or Chinese feeling your collar I imagine you'd be pretty scared. If it's someone more fluffy you're probably due some medical treatment, a hot meal and could maybe discuss asylum.
I wonder if the Russians remembered to take those Somalis with them when they went back to their ship...
500N,
Watched it through this site but following your tip...
no tears here I'm afraid!! You sow what you reap...
500N,
Watched it through this site but following your tip...
no tears here I'm afraid!! You sow what you reap...
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I think the US is the only "Western" country to really kick some ass
and those it does capture process quickly.
"Five men convicted of piracy after trying to capture a US Navy ship were found guilty in November in a Norfolk, VA court. The sentence was issued earlier today by Judge Mark Davis. Not only are these men the first to be found guilty of piracy in the US since 1820, but have been given the longest sentence in US history for the crime (the last guy was hung). They will serve a minimum of life in prison for piracy and the judge tacked on another 80 years for firearms charges, just for good measure.
The Somali men are the first to be tried in a US court since the sudden boom of pirate activity in the Gulf of Aden starting in March 2010. But there will be more to come, as 13 suspected pirates have been indicted for the murder of the passengers on a private US yacht and will soon join their countrymen."
Why oh why do other countries get so tied up in appeals, rulings et al,
all BS.
Maybe a few Apache sorties / live fire "exercises" wouldn't go astray.
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and those it does capture process quickly.
"Five men convicted of piracy after trying to capture a US Navy ship were found guilty in November in a Norfolk, VA court. The sentence was issued earlier today by Judge Mark Davis. Not only are these men the first to be found guilty of piracy in the US since 1820, but have been given the longest sentence in US history for the crime (the last guy was hung). They will serve a minimum of life in prison for piracy and the judge tacked on another 80 years for firearms charges, just for good measure.
The Somali men are the first to be tried in a US court since the sudden boom of pirate activity in the Gulf of Aden starting in March 2010. But there will be more to come, as 13 suspected pirates have been indicted for the murder of the passengers on a private US yacht and will soon join their countrymen."
Why oh why do other countries get so tied up in appeals, rulings et al,
all BS.
Maybe a few Apache sorties / live fire "exercises" wouldn't go astray.
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"I wonder if the Russians remembered to take those Somalis with them when they went back to their ship..."
Did you read the text underneath the Video ?
"I wonder if the Russians remembered to take those Somalis with them when they went back to their ship..."
Did you read the text underneath the Video ?
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Agreed, but when that video first came out quite a while ago,
a fair amount of comment was also available.
Secondly, would you videotape it if you did what they did ?
I certainly wouldn't. I think it was a sensible idea not to.
Just look at the Flak the Israelis got into when they raided
the boat running the Gaza blockade - all because of a bloody video.
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Agreed, but when that video first came out quite a while ago,
a fair amount of comment was also available.
Secondly, would you videotape it if you did what they did ?
I certainly wouldn't. I think it was a sensible idea not to.
Just look at the Flak the Israelis got into when they raided
the boat running the Gaza blockade - all because of a bloody video.
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500N,
Old news and you are way off with what actually happened.
Nobody was shot in cold blood. If they had been then it would indeed be murder and I wouldn't like to be the next Russian crewman to be captured by a Somali pirate.
Sorry to satiate your pathetic blood lust.
The Russian sank the boat in exactly the same way that many navies have, including the Royal Navy.
Old news and you are way off with what actually happened.
Nobody was shot in cold blood. If they had been then it would indeed be murder and I wouldn't like to be the next Russian crewman to be captured by a Somali pirate.
Sorry to satiate your pathetic blood lust.
The Russian sank the boat in exactly the same way that many navies have, including the Royal Navy.
More bang for your buck
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The reason we don't arrest pirates is:
In 2008 the British Foreign Office advised the Royal Navy not to detain pirates of certain nationalities as they might be able to claim asylum in Britain under British human rights legislation, if their national laws included execution, or mutilation as a judicial punishment for crimes committed as pirates.
In 2008 the British Foreign Office advised the Royal Navy not to detain pirates of certain nationalities as they might be able to claim asylum in Britain under British human rights legislation, if their national laws included execution, or mutilation as a judicial punishment for crimes committed as pirates.
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500N the USA is not the only country to do this, a very good friend of mine works for a company that specialises in anti piracy protection he tells me that if any pirates are caught the never make it back to shore must be those old boats the pirates use are very leaky and dangerous don't you know
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Maybe pirates should be landed at the nearest 'friendly' base and quietly tried there. I am sure some US judge would be happy to fly out to DG. They could even set up a camp there and save the cost of flying them around the world.
I am sure some US judge would be happy to fly out to DG
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I find this quote very interesting indeed:
"Nobody was shot in cold blood. If they had been then it would indeed be murder and I wouldn't like to be the next Russian crewman to be captured by a Somali pirate.
Sorry to satiate your pathetic blood lust."
I wonder if anyone has told the Russians this?
From my own living memory, as well as factual history (but not of the openly discussed kind) I don't think anyone has told the Russians about this 'murder' business, as they have shot/killed quite a few in cold blood (including their own civilians and military).
It must be great to live in fluffy-land, where quoting soft Western morals is supposed to change the way that things have/do happen in real life.
This attitude reminds me of the many protests I see in the UK about third world or Middle Eastern leaders.....I am always bemused why these 'die hard' protesters have meetings in my pretty safe country with its democracy, freedom of speech and unarmed police....Why don't they protest in the country they are accusing of all kinds of nasty business!.....
EDITED TO ADD: Of course I can't personally say if anyone WAS or WAS NOT shot in cold blood, as I was not actually there
"Nobody was shot in cold blood. If they had been then it would indeed be murder and I wouldn't like to be the next Russian crewman to be captured by a Somali pirate.
Sorry to satiate your pathetic blood lust."
I wonder if anyone has told the Russians this?
From my own living memory, as well as factual history (but not of the openly discussed kind) I don't think anyone has told the Russians about this 'murder' business, as they have shot/killed quite a few in cold blood (including their own civilians and military).
It must be great to live in fluffy-land, where quoting soft Western morals is supposed to change the way that things have/do happen in real life.
This attitude reminds me of the many protests I see in the UK about third world or Middle Eastern leaders.....I am always bemused why these 'die hard' protesters have meetings in my pretty safe country with its democracy, freedom of speech and unarmed police....Why don't they protest in the country they are accusing of all kinds of nasty business!.....
EDITED TO ADD: Of course I can't personally say if anyone WAS or WAS NOT shot in cold blood, as I was not actually there
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Pr00ne - I never said they were "shot" and I don't have a "pathetic blood lust."
I was only using the Gaza ship video as an example of when NOT to video things - like on base sometimes, what goes on "behind the wire" stays behind the wire !!!
I somehow don't think the Russians worry too much about the "next Russian crew man". The Russians and the US will do what they do, again and again.
I just believe summary justice is sometimes the right message to send.
Although on a lower level, when our past PM put his foot down re Asylum Seekers, instead of a nice friendly welcome, they got the hard boot. Word spread back, the number of boats coming decreased. As soon as the Policy was changed, the flood gates opened.
Sometimes a bit of head banging and hard nosed activity does work.
Pr00ne - I somehow think you and I will never see eye to eye.
PN
This "island" camp etc is BS - We try it here with Asylum Seekers, creates MAJOR Problems because of the do gooders - and then the AS riot, set fire to the place and other general BS.
matkat
Good to hear.
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I was only using the Gaza ship video as an example of when NOT to video things - like on base sometimes, what goes on "behind the wire" stays behind the wire !!!
I somehow don't think the Russians worry too much about the "next Russian crew man". The Russians and the US will do what they do, again and again.
I just believe summary justice is sometimes the right message to send.
Although on a lower level, when our past PM put his foot down re Asylum Seekers, instead of a nice friendly welcome, they got the hard boot. Word spread back, the number of boats coming decreased. As soon as the Policy was changed, the flood gates opened.
Sometimes a bit of head banging and hard nosed activity does work.
Pr00ne - I somehow think you and I will never see eye to eye.
PN
This "island" camp etc is BS - We try it here with Asylum Seekers, creates MAJOR Problems because of the do gooders - and then the AS riot, set fire to the place and other general BS.
matkat
Good to hear.
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