Oh come now, posting on t'internet is no fun at all when sober.

What about inactive ones? Is your Av Med specialist bigger than mine? If the Research Papers on PubMed state that active pilots should not drink and is accepted by all authorities then drinking would (or should) be prohibited to everyone.
Grow up Jane and try not to be childishly rude
Please don't bother to answer, we'll agree to differ.

Oh come now, posting on t'internet is no fun at all when sober.

You'd noticed that too?

My Top 3 Guys to be stuck in an elevator with:

Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
Hanoi Jane

Should I start a new thread on this topic?

HB

My PM was sent to Wurhappy whilst without drink. I'm now off to correct that, so he'd best watch out in a few hours or so ----

s your Av Med specialist bigger than mine?

I certainly hope so.

If the Research Papers on PubMed state that active pilots should not drink and is accepted by all authorities then drinking would (or should) be prohibited to everyone.

It's a institutional-military-cultural thing. I think this thread proves that, yes? Westerners cope with stress by getting drunk. If that troubles you, change your cultural values.

My Top 3 Guys to be stuck in an elevator with:...

Even allowing for your irony content, why would you want to be stuck in an elevator with guys? Have you been drinking?

... well I'll concede GM, but I think MM (like AFM and DFM) is no longer issued, since blighters/erks/ratings can get the MC (AFC and DFC) now.... so that's one all ;)

.... and no disrespect implied or intended to holders of those "round ones" or similar. As an aside, a full cousin of Milady Teeters got the DCM (senior to MM) in the Western desert.......:D

I'd have to have a few beers to want to spend time with you, pal......

Accepting that Jane is right about cognitive function, he makes the point that active pilots should not drink but I think we are working on the hypothesis that these were not active pilots in the sense that they were on the flypro in the near term.

There is the other possibility that they were also flying supervisors and in that capacity may not have been the sharpest tools in the box the next day.

That, I submit, is the greater worry.

The gossiping on here is horrible. I get it, this is a rumour forum but can the smug, self-righteous "i only drink at Christmas" lot please back off and appreciate that an excellent pilot has had his career ruined because of this incident. They had the day off, not due to fly for another 2 days, no one was harmed. The incident has snowballed out of control and the RAF has lost one of their best. More fool them. Now can this thread be pulled please?

I'll drink to that! 'tis nearly G&T time, after all.

And would PPRuNe's sanctimonious Zulu Hotel please poke off and find something else to play with!

whenurhappy,

Many things I am, naive is not one of them.

Actually I don't disagree with the thrust of your post...but you've missed my point.

I don't say that public image is not important to organisations...clearly it is.

I point out that in a democracy, it is up to the individual how much they allow the opinions of others to dictate how they behave.

I try to act on my principles; not on other peoples. Many on here feel the same. The vast majority of military people I worked with were men and women of character, not of straw. It is also a pre requisite of leadership (IMHO) that anybody in charge of people needs to be able to stand up and be counted when right needs to be done...irrespective of personal cost and irrespective of "public" opinion.

If these guys have broken any regulations they will be dealth with by the chain of command. If they have not broken any regulations, I would expect (demand) the chain of command to stick up for them. Public opinion can go **** itself.

What a state the RAF must be in these days! I never thought I would see the day when youngsters in the Service would have such low regard for ALL those who served before!

I'm almost speechless!

Best go to the pub. And before anyone starts on me..........I am not flying in the morning!!:ugh:

Hval
So you agree then, not all substance abuse in safety critical roles leads to instant dismissal in every civil organisation. Sort of what I said then :rolleyes:

...I'm supposed to be wearing a blazer? Why did nobody tell me? No wonder I'm getting it so wrong...

Well said TOFO, right and wrong aren't determined by the papers. My votes with Younghearts though, all this outrage when nobody knows a ******* thing is pathetic.

Dave

Really time to knock this on the head Roj?

Hear hear! It's wandering about like a P*ssed jockey! (and about as interesting :E)