Two points:

1 - F-35C is no louder than an F-18/GR4 and you assume that the norm will be for F-35C to conduct an afterburning take-off which it may not need to do for routine training. Don't assume to know these things when you don't (I refer you to the term Sciolist)

2 - Don't be so damned prejudiced! Your inference that Scots are desperate and more likely to 'put up' with environmental noise through desperation alone is bordering on racist.

Parkitup is wiser than you give him/her credit for.

Once the GR4 dies entirely, it wouldn't surprise me if Marham becomes the new de facto JCA base, now that Lossie's preserved by being a future Typhoon location.

It'll be interesting to see where they put it when the first OEU jets arrive.

pointing inwards or outwards??:hmm:

No, nothing like that. Have you been to an Army Garrison Town - like Catterick. God awful places, and always full of trouble at night.

ICBM

I thank you for your comments - they make some interesting assumptions about me and parkitup and some interesting points about yourself!

I was of course part of the decision-making process that decided on Lossie for JCA a few years ago - so the noise footprint issue was of great interest and was closely studied by all concerned. I presume that you are thinking of the potential for changes to that footprint now that the CTOL/STOVL decision has been made (finally....). Your reference to burner T/Os is interesting though since the key determinant for noise was always expected to be the circuit - especially for the STOVL type (which is now changed etc etc).

Desperate Scots (ggod spot on the spooling mitsake - must beat the typing pool harder!) seems to be pretty well backed up by their moaning over the past months about 56%, 72%, 2 out of 3 bases closing, it's not fair, wah wah wah, independence, Scottish AF, boo hoo, etc etc. Pointing out that desperate people are desperate is about as racist as pointing out that RN Harrier folks are sad!

As for parkitup - he means well and I like his style; long may he fly safe:ok:

Diginagain thought

Sadly not quite that simples - the gym is in the way, but it would be possible to find another way through the buildings. All depends on intent. I presume the RE unit that's been at Leu for ages will stay? Always a nice bunch during my time there.

S41

I'm sure the Territorials of 71 Eng Regt would be more than happy to remove the obstruction. How hard is it to drive a JCB?

I suppose the Army could move an AAC Regiment to Leuchars, thay have been there before.

Hmmmm
 

Rector16

Aha...so a middle to senior ranking professional then....?

Or perhaps not....???

Been to Elgin lately? I think you'll find that the driving force behind the 'Save Lossie'
campaign was the local business community...not unnaturally. As with all campaigns like this they gain followers as momentum builds.

Have a listen to the accents of the staff and proprietors in the vast majority of small and medium local businesses. Not many Scots accents there. Many of the local businesses are ex service folks over the past 35 years, many from south of the tartan tammy line who liked the local area and decided to settle there.

If you were to conduct a straw poll of the indigenous population you may find that the Scots to which you refer are not as desperate as you seem to think.

So in conclusion..... racist? No I don't think so....bigoted ? Just a tad methinks.

CT

Although the gym in a crab station won't be the busiest of buildings, I'm sure the future pongo's won't want the JCB to be let loose on it!

Good grief. To contemplate my taxes going towards the salary of such individuals is depressing in the extreme...

Only need a portal at each end and a length of track. I do admit, in service, it may pose a problem for the Gym Queens, but that's all part of the fun. "Round my beautiful body, GO!" :yuk:

Posted by rahjaramjet In short - yes! Rather arrogant to think not really. Oh - and Brussels is in one of those European neighbour countries you refer to!!

RAF - What RAF? Cottesmore early than anticipated re-use.
 

The king is dead.. long live the king!! Army welcomed with open, local arms (well, by the landlords at least!!)

Army to move into RAF Cottesmore in 2013 - Local - Rutland Times

That'll end in tears.. ;)

This e-petition is being launched at Leuchars today.

https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/8372/

NutherA2,



Why?

pr00ne

Speaking as a former Fighting Cock FJ Pilot........why not?