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just another jocky 28th Jan 2011 13:59

piesupper - you are either trawling, which is in very poor taste, or you are indeed a tit. I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I prefer them to be informed and relevant, unlike yours. PS - do you drive a car in Scotland? Because if you do, YOU are more likely to kill another Scotsman than any RAF pilot is. Now kindly cancel your membership of this site so we don't have to accidentally read any more of your quite ludicrous comments.

Re the video, as Moi/ says, that could be any GR4, though it could have been the accident aircraft. It clearly is not in any apparant difficulty, at least none that you can tell from the video and from what little I know, the evidence would have been visible.

As I said before, this pointless speculation helps no-one and merely provides the flatulence that some on this thread appear to revel in. Those that need to know, do. Those that don't....sorry.

Oh, and with no offence intended to the NHS in Scotland, the crew were moved ASAP down to a hospital somewhere in England where they are equipped to provide the specialist care associalted with an ejection.

glad rag 28th Jan 2011 14:02

Unbelievable that a thread could degenerate so dramatically due to racists both sides of the divide :ugh:

4015 28th Jan 2011 14:22

Emergency cover row after jet crash - UK News - MSN News UK

Thought this might be of interest, I apologise for the source not being anything better.

Just to put in my opinion, Piesupper... The level of your ignorance and overdramatic borderline retardation is almost praiseworthy.

Feel free to take your opinions to the pub, they are entirely uneducated and based on pure fantasy, and as such are not welcome here. (I'm new, and even I can see that).

draken55 28th Jan 2011 14:49

Two airmen rescued after jet crashes in the Minch - Press & Journal

An update from to-days Press & Journal. Can't see anything about a transfer south or for that matter the need for one.

Are you permitted to indicate the source of your info just another jockey?

Pontius Navigator 28th Jan 2011 14:54


Originally Posted by piesupper (Post 6208896)
It wasn't YOUR nephew and mates who were fishing in the area and could have been hit by the wreckage. As it was they were a couple of miles away. Still close enough.

Actually they were not close enough.

As any mariner will tell you, they hope and pray for salvage rights.

Pontius Navigator 28th Jan 2011 15:08


Originally Posted by Moi/ (Post 6208747)
This could be a video of any GR4 flying past with its gear down/landing lights on.

Care to expand.?

If the Gairloch where the crew was picked up is the one on the mainland it is 36 miles from Stornoway. If the crew was diverting to Stornoway there is no way they could have been videoed on recovery to Stornoway, as suggested, and then crashed that far away.


down near Gairloch on the Scottish mainland
So the Beeb Boobed and just took a random vid as gospel.

The Ancient Geek 28th Jan 2011 15:08


Speedy recovery to both aircrew.
Indeed, hopefully they will not have suffered the usual spinal compression too badly, ejecting saves lives but can lead to a life of back pain.

John R81 28th Jan 2011 15:09

BBC News - Images show RAF Tornado jet crash scene
BBC News - RNLI images of RAF jet crash site


Images taken by lifeboat crew reveal the scene of a Tornado jet crash off the west coast of Scotland on Thursday.

The two crew members from RAF Lossiemouth ejected from the aircraft and were receiving treatment to injuries in hospital in Inverness.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said it was hoped the pair would be released from hospital later on Friday.

Photographs taken by Stornoway RNLI show lifeboat volunteers recovering pieces of wreckage from the Minch.

The jet came down near Gairloch on the Scottish mainland.
A Royal Navy minehunter, HMS Blyth, has been on the scene searching for the aircraft.

The MoD said a full investigation into the cause of the incident would take place.

just another jocky 28th Jan 2011 15:15

draken55 - I work at Marham, so have some inside knowledge and am trying to carefully not say more than I am allowed to but enough to stifle the speculating. Even for those of us on the 'inside' on this one, we are still discouraged from speculating as we only know a few isolated facts. The BoI will announce the findings in due course.

frodo_monkey 28th Jan 2011 15:31


Are you permitted to indicate the source of your info just another jockey?
There is a specialist hospital unit that deals with ejection injuries.

draken55 28th Jan 2011 15:38

Just a jockey.

Many thanks. I am always a bit suspicious of any footage that appears on the internet after an event and lets face it, the standard of journalism is dire nowadays. Happy to await the BofI

My real concern was with ejection injuries having to be dealt with "down south". A transfer can't be pleasant so soon after sustaining injury and with many training areas up here, I would have hoped NHS Scotland had the skills needed.

heights good 28th Jan 2011 15:40

Guys, please don't get annoyed at Piesupper.

He is entitled to post whatever he likes, after all we are here to defend the freedom of this country. We maybe don't agree with his post, however the more he rants the less weight his posts will carry.

Let him have his 2 mins of fame, after all he must have taken 5 mins out of his life to type what he posted. That is 5 mins he will never get back and it has been completely unproductive. It always makes me chuckle when people reply to these posts because they don't agree with it. He obviously has an opinion that for him is fact, he isn't wrong, he just has a different viewpoint.

Don't waste your time or heart beats on it. :rolleyes:

HG

just another jocky 28th Jan 2011 15:44


My real concern was with ejection injuries having to be dealt with "down south". A transfer can't be pleasant so soon after sustaining injury and with many training areas up here, I would have hoped NHS Scotland had the skills needed.
The treatment of ejection injuries is a specialised one that is rarely (even more so) needed these days and so would be uneconomical for too many places to maintain. I think there are 2, possibly 3 establishments in the UK capable of it, all in England. No great reason for that I suspect other than money saving ones.

KarlADrage 28th Jan 2011 15:50

Video relevance
 
FWIW, one of the guys over on Fighter Control FighterControl • Home to the Military Aviation Enthusiast • View topic - Tornado ejection.
is adamant that the accident jet is ZG792, which apparently has a grey nose and cannot therefore be the jet in the video (which has a black nose).

TheWizard 28th Jan 2011 16:45

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...o_see_here.jpg

Bolli 28th Jan 2011 16:51

Sorry about jumping back a bit... but:


This could be a video of any GR4 flying past with its gear down/landing lights on.

Care to expand.?
Is it just me or were there 2 tornadoes flying close together on this sortie?

PotentialPilot 28th Jan 2011 16:58

The video is rubbish, wasn't much point in them putting it up to be honest.

Green Flash 28th Jan 2011 18:30

The video may be of the No2 who called in the ejection and stayed on top to keep an eye on the guys and home the helo on to to scene. Presume it stayed till it was on fumes and then div'd to EGPO. Although the last time I flew in/out of Stornoway the main runway starts and stops in the sea. Unless they have started building houses and trees in the Minch it might be just some gash vid of any Tonka.

I would also suggest that anyone in the Minch is in far greater risk of being clobbered by one of the many super tankers or bulkers ploughing through.

And whilst I'm here, :ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok: to the guys on the SCG S-92 for getting 'em out of the oggin in quick time. Nice one boys.

NorthSouth 28th Jan 2011 18:39

glad rag:

Unbelievable that a thread could degenerate so dramatically due to racists both sides of the divide
My thoughts entirely. If this is anything like representative of what pilots think then it's clear we're all f**ked.

NS

Pontius Navigator 28th Jan 2011 18:49

That vid could possibly have been shot at Holm, RW36?


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