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If the Argies get beligerent again we can send all our carriers down (suggest scuttleing them as block ships in the River Plate estuary - although that idea didn`t work to well for Adolf). We could lease back the Harriers from the USMC, get the Vulcan back in action, tank both the remaining UK Typhoons to ascention to join up with a Tonker and conscript the Portsmouth ACF into the Marines. This would give us the fighting force necessary to defend our territory. Simples! |
B1B? OK - Its a fair cop! - out of 84 bombs..... it might get more than 1 on the runway!
I`ll get my coat...:ooh: |
"I suspect it is because they are usually on first name terms with both Baaa bara and Maaaa tilda but I could be wrong."
Don't forget Maaaaartha and Maaaable as well |
...Maybe the Argentines just want a more modern runway from which to play with their toys? |
Argentina might, unwittingly, have gained an ally of sorts, now that the EU is pissed off with the Poms. I wonder if there's anything they might exploit?
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Pissed off with the Poms? Naaa! They're used to us acting like petulent teenagers. Anyway, what they going to do? Make us give away the Falklands?
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"Anyway, what they going to do? Make us give away the Falklands?"
They will do just like the UN does, postulate, chest beat and issue strongly worded statements and if the country they are aimed at doesn't want to take any notice, it won't. |
Yeah, that's right! I say "bring it on". All it took to sort them out last time was 111 ships, the Harrier Force, Sea Harrier, Nimrod, Victor Tankers, loads of helos, a Vulcan, Phantoms on Ascension and a Prime Minister with an iron will.
So what's to stop us doing it again??? Oh, yes. Maggie's not PM any more, is she? |
It was not just Lady T as Prime Minister but the significant number of Cabinet Ministers who had served in the Military. Lord Carrington (for example) had been a Tank Commander in Guards Armoured Division. The Leader of the Opposition had served in the RN in WW2 and had been Commissioned from the Ranks.
Very few MP's today have Military experience. |
Hmm. Think I ended up making the wrong point there, but never mind.
In 1977, 216 out of 630 MPs were ex military. Twenty years later it was down to 60 out of 658. I think the total now is about 10. The only current Labour MP with Mil experience is Major Eric Joyce (the first MP to claim more than £1 million in expenses). Every prime minister from 1940 to 1963 had served as an infantry officer in WW1. Times change, I guess. Courtney |
Ah, Eric Joyce, who was a jock, not universally loved by his peers. Left the Army to go to Uni, then rejoined as an education officer. Done for drink driving after hitting some road furniture last year near the BP refinery in Grangemouth.
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So he probably doesn't count. Make that nine, then!
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Courtney Mil:
"The only current Labour MP with Mil experience is Major Eric Joyce (the first MP to claim more than £1 million in expenses" Bit out of date. Major Dan Jarvis, The Parachute Regiment, won the Barnsley Central by-election this year on behalf of Labour. Joined in 1997 and served in Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Northern Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan twice (first time as part of the reconnaissance team that assessed Helmand in 2005-6 and latterly as a company commander with the Special Forces Support Group). |
I stand corrected, Ninja.
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That's a dangerous move to make.
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I'm a bit daft, why are they flying the Falklands flag and not the pommy one?
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From the link above
Argentina's President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, who took over the presidency of the trade bloc from Mr Mujica, thanked her fellow presidents for the show of support. Delivering a speech to the summit, she said: "I want to thank everyone for their immense solidarity with the Malvinas. "But you should know that when you are signing something on the Malvinas in favour of Argentina you are also doing it in your own defence. "Malvinas is not an Argentine cause, it is a global cause, because in the Malvinas they are taking our oil and fishing resources. "And when there is need for more resources, those who are strong are going to look for them wherever and however they can." |
Announced on the same day as the Argentine under-secretary for foreign trade commits suicide. Coincidence?
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If we want to talk dangerous......
I would love to have been a fly on the wall in the Argentine military when this request came in. Falklands defended by four Typhoon aircraft, two plus the tanker get diverted and if these get 'eliminated' then who is the caretaker? In early June 2010 two Typhoons and the VC-10 air tanker based on the Falklands had to divert to Punta Arenas in Chile after poor weather closed Mount Pleasant. This required the aircraft to fly over Tierra del Fuego; authorization for this was given by the Argentinian Air Force. No doubt there was nervousness when the request had to be sent out, with how Argentina behaves about the islands and the planes going in and out of them! |
To rh200; as I understand it because they, along with Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar and several others are British Overseas territories, ie they are not part of the UK but acknowledge HM as the head of state. They have their own government, currency, flag etc but save a bundle by borrowing our Head of State and, I think, stuff like the FO.
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Indeed, that is why they sail under thair own flag. I suspect it is a requirement. That's not to say that vessels can't be re-registered in another country to get around the blockade. It happens a lot.
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but save a bundle by borrowing our Head of State and, I think, stuff like the FO. |
rh200
And didn't ol Liz get a reception and a half over where you are the other month ? Very impressive, as was the reception she got everywhere. |
No good having a valuable amount of whats left of Liz's armed forces over there and not being fully commited. |
Britain duts off war plans with call to send nuclear submarine to Falklands as Argentine joins forces with Brazil and Uruguay in overt anti-British stance designed to diminish the UK's standing in Latin America
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...88_634x358.jpg Military chiefs are dusting off their plans for the defence of the Falklands after South American countries banned ships from the islands docking in their ports. Sources fear Prince William's six-month deployment to the South Atlantic as an air-sea rescue pilot next year could provoke more sabre-rattling. Yesterday Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner claimed Britain was ready to use its military to steal natural resources 'anywhere, anyhow'. She said: 'They're currently taking our oil reserves and fish stocks from the Falklands but when they need more natural resources they will come and use force to steal them wherever and however they can.'Mercosur, the South American trading block which also includes Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay have agreed to ban boats sailing under the Falklands flag from docking at their ports – even though Paraguay does not even have a coastline.The ban affects around 25 ships – some of which are fishing vessels working for a Spanish company. Argentina still claims the islands – held by Britain since the 1830s – are theirs, despite their crushing defeat in the 1982 Falklands War.Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox asked to see the war plans for the defence of the Falklands in 2010 and examined the plans twice as they were adapted. New Defence Secretary Philip Hammond, who took over in October, has also been briefed. |
Whilst not under estimating the enemy, 73,100 troops all on the mainland.
They have to get them to the islands first to be effective and with a much more switched on UK, might be harder than they think. And then of course, if they did get them on the island, they would have to hold them, which has already proved "an island too far" before. |
And didn't ol Liz get a reception and a half over where you are the other month ? |
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And then of course, if they did get them on the island, they would have to hold them, which has already proved "an island too far" before.
Without wishing to state the bleeding obvious, there was one major difference twixt then and now............ Only relevant of course, if we don't keep hold of them in the first place. |
What an brilliant newspaper clipping! I'm so reassured now that I know we can get Tornado fighter jets and HMS Ocean + Apaches to the Falklands within days! And I love the sound of Royal Navy 'land craft' - is that like a 4-tonner or just the usual beaten-up Astra?
Such a shame, though, that HRH's 'six-month deployment' as an 'air-sea rescue' pilot is causing trouble. Let me guess, is it from the Mail? Or maybe the Express? |
More than a few things wrong with that infrographic:
"Pucara fighters dating back to the 1950s" "25 attack helicopters" - a tooled-up Huey or JetRanger does not an Apache make. I think essentially it all boils down to the one hunter killer submarine. So long as the Argentines have nothing to counter this there will be no invasion. |
And we don't have any Tornado fighter jets, only Tornado bomber jets. The battalion of infantrymen are either in the sandpit or looking after the kids while their wives are all away singing.
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And we don't have any Tornado fighter jets, only Tornado bomber jets. |
why don't we simply start an independance movement among the Welsh in Patagonia? Much of that province was settled by Welsh-speakers, not Spansh speakers and for much of the 20th century their culture was ruthlessly suppressed - even to the point of banning Welsh (or English) christian names
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Christina is riding the wave of re-election from earlier this year but her country is divided and has an economy that is going down the tubes (again). Uruguayans don't actually like the Argentines that much and have probably agreed to this for the sake of a quiet life.
Interestingly, Uruguay has its own island dispute with Argentina over an island in the River Plate which the Argies decided would be better off flying their flag instead of Uruguay's. Saw someone who purported to be an Argentine military pilot wearing a Malvinas badge (complete with Falklands map) on his arm this year - haven't laughed so hard for ages. |
I wonder what this is about?
From today's Buenos Aires Herald "The head of the Navy, Admiral Jorge Godoy, requested removal from his post after being accused of illegal espionage. The Government chose Deputy Admiral Carlos Alberto Paz to take his place, a decision which was published today in the Official Gazette. By way of Decree 247, President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner and Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli, accepted the request for the “voluntary removal” of Godoy, and therefore “relieving him of his duties as Navy General." Wonder who he was spying for? |
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I wonder what this is about? From today's Buenos Aires Herald "The head of the Navy, Admiral Jorge Godoy, requested removal from his post after being accused of illegal espionage. The Government chose Deputy Admiral Carlos Alberto Paz to take his place, a decision which was published today in the Official Gazette. By way of Decree 247, President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner and Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli, accepted the request for the “voluntary removal” of Godoy, and therefore “relieving him of his duties as Navy General." Wonder who he was spying for? |
It's starting all over again. :sad:
Feking politicians, take the lot out and slot then and that's 50% of the worlds troubles sorted. |
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