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CatchThePigeon 6th Feb 2013 10:08

Why is one colonialism, and not the other? Colonialism has nothing to do with how many people who live there or the immigration laws (which aren't very different from the
Falklands, by the way). And, as you point out, Venezuela has "made some claims in the past", just like Argentina. Tomorrow, they may start making them again. Does it thus become "Colonialism" at that point, despite the inhabitant's wishing to remain part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands?

Oops, one more edit. You say:

[QUOTE]
Trying to divert attention away from the Topic, the Falklands
[UNQUOTE]

No, the topic is colonialism. The Falklands are a symptom of that topic, a topic you are apparently being very hypocritical about.

ORAC 6th Feb 2013 10:10


Venezualla that made some claims on the islands in the past.
Venezuela deploys troops to Guyana Border to combat drug trafficking - MARCH 17, 2012

Venezuela’s Defense Minister says the military will deploy about 15,000 soldiers to regions along the country’s borders, including that with Guyana, in order to combat armed groups and drug trafficking, a Washington Post report said yesterday.

The report has raised some concern in Guyana, since it comes just a few days after the Venezuelan Government restated its claims to western Essequibo.....

500N 6th Feb 2013 10:18

"Perhaps a direction for the Falklands. Strike a deal with Argetine, to boost trade, tourism, education for the Islanders, giving them better options by connecting to the potentially boosting Argentine economy. Create a big Falklands/ Malvinas / Oceanic Museum with them to start with.

Why do a deal with the loser aggressors ??? Especially if oil is
found and commercially extractable. I also said that the likelyhood
of a deal was blown by Argentina in 1982.

"potentially boosting Argentine economy."
Really ? Give it 100 years. And why boost an enemy who might
well use it to boost their military forces ?

"A real tourist attraction"

Yeah right, like millions want to go there ?
I haven't been but would like to but my father just got back
from FI and South Georgia on a bird trip. Said it was very very
desolate. I've been to similar places and don't know many who
would want to go.

Courtney Mil 6th Feb 2013 10:20

If I'm not mistaken, Princess Maxima is Jorge Zorreguieta's daughter. He served with the Videla dictatorship that killed thousands of its own people. Ironic.

500N 6th Feb 2013 10:37

"So now on a lighter tone, we'll have an exciting Argentine Queen, Maxima,
in a few months,"

Who's family, as CM said, the father is such an embarrassment that
he is not allowed to be seen with them in public or at functions and
can only attend "behind the scenes" family only activities.

So even the Netherlands Gov't and Royalty can see what the Junta
and that crowd were.


"I saw this topic and was amazed by the senseless war mongering, Rambo talk, double standards, discrimination and selective use of rights, historical perspectives and double morale displayed by some of the members.

It was only logical to inform them that there are different views in the world and that colonialism is a forgotten word elsewhere. The Brits standing strong behind the right for self determination makes historians faint.

The reactions on this were in no particular order good civil replies, childish name calling, attempted diversions, opportunist discrediting of sources and singing the national anthem."

As opposed to "Argentine Queen, Maxima's" family that served
a junta that was into murder, torture, throwing live people out of
planes and helicopters from thousands of feet up into the ocean,
theft - oh, and not of just their own citizens but other country's
citizens as well !!!

Hypocracy comes to mind :O

DADDY-OH! 6th Feb 2013 10:38

Keesje is just a troll. Why are any of you actually taking him on?

Pontius Navigator 6th Feb 2013 15:19


Originally Posted by 500N (Post 7678959)
I haven't been but would like to but my father just got back from FI and South Georgia on a bird trip. Said it was very very
desolate. I've been to similar places and don't know many who
would want to go.

I have been, perfect trip - day-return with one night in a flotel and drinks with Sir Rex. Hardly saw any of the camp as the windows on the bus were covered in red mud.

What I did notice were the Argentinian sangars on the approaches to Stanley. They were so obvious, even a bunch of cadets would have done better. They had built them using local stone but instead of keeping the dirty side up then presented the clean, shiny side towards the threat. Looked like new brick walls with no realistic concealment.

keesje 6th Feb 2013 23:20

No DADDY-OH!

It seems you are just the troll here.

Better move elsewhere.

Milo Minderbinder 6th Feb 2013 23:25

keesje
are you going to answer my question?
what do you think about handing the Spanish Netherlands back to its rightful owners, Spain?

Navaleye 6th Feb 2013 23:28

Ah PN,

An inviting target for my good friend Mister MILAN. That's were they went wrong.

N

500N 6th Feb 2013 23:40

I suppose if you can blow a dirty great hole in a Frigate with
an 84mm a MILAN would be perfect for Bunker Busting :O

Navaleye 6th Feb 2013 23:57

That's exactly how it was used then. Wire guided and incredibly accurate. 6lb shaped charge warhead on any position would turn it into ratfood. Hit one or two and the rest would run knowing what was coming next. It worked very well.

If the RM detachment on South Georgia had had one, they could have sunk ARA Guericco. They did great with what they had. Read "Too few to far"

500N 7th Feb 2013 00:11

Navaleye

Thanks.

I actually just saw a reference to "Too few to far" the other day
so will try and get it.

In it he says if the other 3 x 6mm rockets had gone off like
the 2 that did, it would have sunk. Either way, they sure made
it into a pepper pot !!!

Navaleye 7th Feb 2013 00:20

The problem was with the Charlie G. They only had six round rounds and one tube. 3 misfired. They hit it with GPMG fire, 66m LAW and sniper fire blowing out the bridge windows. When the enemy crew came out to man the aft 40mm they were dropped. It was lucky to get way and took at lot of repair work. Kindle has the book very cheap. A good read and well worth it.

Best regards

AR1 7th Feb 2013 01:16

Of course, the reality is, whilst people huff and puff on the big stage, quietly and imperceptibly British and Argentinian companies (including mine) do buisness. And long may both sides remember that. We're better of trading than fighting. And i'm doing my bit for thier wine industry in the resteraunt tonight. tonight so apologies for any typos. Big glass small keyboard. ;-)

Pontius Navigator 7th Feb 2013 06:43


Originally Posted by 500N (Post 7680427)
a MILAN would be perfect for Bunker Busting :O

Bunker? These sangars were more like bits of dry stone wall. Britains used to make a small plastic sangar for its toy soldiers; they looked like that. Cover from SA but not mortar, rocket or arty.

Lyneham Lad 5th Apr 2013 14:46

President of Uruguay calls Cristina Kirchner an ‘old hag’ in microphone slip
 
New Argentina war? Could be with Uruguay - headline on Times Online:-


President of Uruguay calls Cristina Kirchner an ‘old hag’ in microphone slip

As microphone malfunctions go, it was pretty spectacular.
Argentina has made an official protest after the President of Uruguay managed to insult both Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, the Argentine President, and her late husband with a single unguarded phrase.
President José Mujica, who came to power in Montevideo three years ago, was chatting quietly with an official before a press conference unaware that the microphones were already switched on.
“This old hag is even worse than the one-eyed man,” he was heard saying.
A Uruguayan newspaper posted the audio clilp on its website and said that it was clear who Mr Mujica was talking about: he has clashed in the past both with Mrs Kirchner and her late husband, Nestor Kirchner, whom she succeeded as President.
Clearly President Mujica is a perceptive chap...

Courtney Mil 5th Apr 2013 14:51

José's the man! Still, gives her something else to whine about - it's the only time she's happy.

Dak Man 5th Apr 2013 14:54

Make him Governor and give him a house in Stanley.

CAndyPOB 5th Apr 2013 16:19

This link, BBC News - Jose Mujica: The world's 'poorest' president from Nov last year gives a good account of El Presidente Jose. Dak Man, I doubt that he would accept the position as the house that goes with it is too big!

Without going over pages and pages of old news, there always has been, and always will be a little antagonism between the two countries. Add in the border dispute with Chile, the drugs/stolen vehicles/deforestation where Argentina meets Brazil, and a fair few problems with Paraguayan and Bolivian indigenous peoples, she is pretty isolated.

Being called an, "Old Hag," is probably the least of her worries and the least of her insults...

CoffmanStarter 5th Apr 2013 17:10

In another story ... Bad day at the office for our Man in Colombia :D


The British Embassy in Colombia made an embarrassing contribution to ceremonies marking the 31st anniversary of the Falklands conflict this week, when it referred to the islands as the “Malvinas”, the term used by Argentina.
In the Embassy’s official Twitter account, @UkinColombia, staff repeatedly posted advertisements in Spanish for a debate on the islands called the “Malvinas Falklands forum”, in stark contrast to the Government’s policy of always using the British name for the territory claimed by Argentina.

Courtney Mil 5th Apr 2013 17:23

Oh dear. New Embassy staff required, I think. You up for the job, Coff? Or might we send another PPRuNer with suitable quals?

CoffmanStarter 5th Apr 2013 17:27

Not me ... never been diplomatic enough ! Probably wouldn't pass the Civil Service Test either :E

500N 5th Apr 2013 18:51

"Clearly President Mujica is a perceptive chap..."

I had to laugh when I read that late last night.

It would have given here a few more wrinkles :ok:

CoffmanStarter 6th Apr 2013 10:22

I'm thinking the UK Government ought to recognise President Mujica's efforts ... a Honorary Knighthood is perhaps a bit too strong/obvious ... but Honorary Air Commodore of 101 Squadron RAF might be a bit more "subtle" :E

Mach Two 6th Apr 2013 20:34

OK. I've never had naughty thoughts about CFdK. Come on?

Courtney Mil 6th Apr 2013 20:34

You're sick.


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